1969 Camaro trim tag legit?

[BULLITT65]

I saw this car listed recently and while I know its is not an original JL8 car, but I am trying tot get clarification on the trim tag, and if it looks like a legit X33 car.

Not great pics, console gauges were likely added since there is not a clock present.
VIN : 124379N635777
https://www.gaaclassiccars.com/vehicles/37122/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z28-rs

[william]

Who cares?

The car in the lead photo is not an RS, later pics show RS. Lots of trunk and floor patching, amateur restoration.

[BULLITT65]

Well I have members ask me and if it isn't clear, I will ask them to post it on the CRG. So with a car that has had SO much work done to it, with RS added, and being advertised as a JL8 (which it isn't), I thought well perhaps the is not even a real Z/28 to begin with. It is no different than the ebay auctions that others post where a car is for sale as something it really isn't imo

[David K]

I find it interesting the way the trim tag and engine pad pictures are sort of clear...but not very clear. I never saw a vin. Without that, I assume it's not matching or legit. Spending the money to have Jerry certify it is money we'll spent.

[BULLITT65]

I think once Jerry Certifies a car, at least you know a good set of eyes has been on it, at one point. Very often I see a cert from Jerry, but it could be from many years ago *or you won't see the report just the cert, so you don't have any other details on the car. Which can be scary because I believe the re-body green 69Z (somebody famous owned) ended up getting a cert. If a car like that misplaces the report and has the cert, could there be others out there.
Ex:  a certed Z car that Jerry may have called out for having a re-stamped motor or trans or rear end in the report. If a potential buyer sees it years later they may hav no idea it has a re-stamped anything just by seeing the cert. Which is not on Jerry, since he called it out originally, but just like window stickers and P.O.P, sometimes things go missing.

[KurtS]

I personally find the certificates as unnecessary window dressing. Instead of posting the appraisal, people post the cert. Misdirection - 'See, it has a cert!'.

[BULLITT65]

I agree somewhat and see where you are coming from. So you think an appraisal holds more weight, I take it ? I can't remember the last time someone had a real appraisal and used it as a selling point for a 1st gen. Now I know auction houses have the 'pre-sale estimates' but I assumed those are just by some flunky.

[169INDY]

I think Kurt is calling the Page #2 of the JM-Cert the "Appraisal of noted conditions and issues."

maybe??

[Kelley W King]

Never trust a JL8 car when the seller mispells brakes (breaks) lol

[BULLITT65]

😆

[Stingr69]

SOLD $97K  O-M-G! 

[BULLITT65]

Thats the exact reason to bring up a car like this. I see a car like this and the JL8 was an obvious red flag, but then it makes you question the legitimacy of the rest of the car. How many hands will this car pass through and be touted as JL8 before someone realizes it was just a modified rear disc package added. 🙄

[cook_dw]

97.2% of the people will see orange, Z and see it has JL8 and they will cream their shorts to own it..  Most of the 69 Z guys are funny like that..   

[BULLITT65]

Good point DW. The rest of us 69Z guys are not funny...🙃

There is a 69Z registry group on FB. It has its ups and downs. Think of Team Camaro. We try to keep it pretty tight and focused just on the 69Z. But there are many guys that are fly by the seat of your pants, buy first, verify second. Most of us try to steer the members in the right direction, but it so surprising to me the number of guys, with more money than sense. I would assume there have always been guys like that in the hobby since the beginning. It takes all types I suppose. 🙂

[KurtS]

Have power again.
I was referring to JM appraisals. He provides the appraisal (3 pages) and the certificate. And sellers often only show the certificate.