Possible find 67 L30/M20

[Jeffro67]

Ooooowh, I feel your pain with the engine tranny thing. That looks like a nice solid car, I don't think mine is in that good of shape. I think I've seen pictures before of the gold cars with the black nose stripe, and blacked out grill, very nice. It looks like it is a driver now, how long did it take you to put it back togather?

Jeff.

[Stillwater Camaro]

Ooooowh, I feel your pain with the engine tranny thing. That looks like a nice solid car, I don't think mine is in that good of shape. I think I've seen pictures before of the gold cars with the black nose stripe, and blacked out grill, very nice. It looks like it is a driver now, how long did it take you to put it back togather?

Jeff.

It was a complete, running car before the previous owner brought to WI from the Bay area. He then dismantled it and lost interest. I bought in pieces, like you saw, and reassembled it to running in 3 days. I spent another week stripping, sanding and painting the interior metal. I do drive it around the area and have had it to a couple car shows with my local Camaro club. I park it in the back row as a "barn find". There is quite a bit of rust repair needed from the salt air down there.

[Jeffro67]

Thats' gotta be satisfaction, putting an older camaro back together in three days and then driving it. Great job. I think my three boys are wondering if I can "EVER" put a car back together.
 
Here's another quirky question for you guys, does anybody know if the engine to body ground straps were the same size/lenth on 67 small blocks  and big blocks?

[Stillwater Camaro]

Thats' gotta be satisfaction, putting an older camaro back together in three days and then driving it. Great job. I think my three boys are wondering if I can "EVER" put a car back together.

I had a sideline hobby/job repairing and parting GM cars from this era during the 70's and am quite familiar with their assembly. I have a big shop too and layed out all the pieces, like an exploded view, on the floor. I dumped out the box of fasteners that he gave me and sorted them all out. I even have a large assortment of vintage fasteners from my parting out days to supplement any missing from the car. I had to buy a radiator, as he had trashed the original, but with that I was able to have it running and movable under it's own power. He had gutted the right door and broken the window glass and rear window moving them around for a year, so I found used glass locally. It was a real challenge reassembling the right door from scratch without having taken it apart. I used the left door as an example of where all the pieces went. That stage and the partial restoration of the interior aren't included in the 3 day sheetmetal reassembly. I did have to buy new carpet and rear package shelf as well as the trunk divider board, since it has the fold down seat option too. I have since bought and installed a nice pair of standard buckets to use until I can get my originals rebuilt. This week, I replaced the upper control arm bushings and installed new KYB shocks on all 4 corners. I'm currently working on sandblasting and painting a set of 78 Z28 wheels for it. I didn't like the rally wheels that came on it and I had my set of 88 IROC wheels on it while my 88 was being painted, but I put them back on the IROC last week too. It all takes time, but is do-able if you have some mechanical aptitude and the desire to see it emerge as you want it. You'll get there...

[Stillwater Camaro]

It looks like there may have been a E near the middle and then a little ways down a V but that's all. Off to the left it looks like there may have been a row of very tiny numbers starting right at the pad edge. Not sure though.

Jeff.

Jeff, I was digging around in the CRG info and found this http://www.camaros.org/public/acidetch.txt  It is a way to bring out the faint stamp marks to better read them. Might be worth a try, if you are comfortable working with the Muriatic acid.

[Jeffro67]

I am very hapy to report tonight that it looks like I have found the original Saginaw 4 speed for my car. Two owners back before me still had it stashed away in his storage container. He swears it is the original one from when he had the car. A hefty 500.00 would probably confirm that alone. He know knows what I'm doing, trying to put it back to original. I gave him half down to hold it until the end of the week when I can pay him the rest. It looks like a 4 speed Saginaw and the numbers just under the side cover are R7T27. I'll post the pictures at the end of the week when I get it.

 Thanks Stillwatwer, I'll study up on that link you provided.

[Stillwater Camaro]

I am very hapy to report tonight that it looks like I have found the original Saginaw 4 speed for my car. Two owners back before me still had it stashed away in his storage container. He swears it is the original one from when he had the car. A hefty 500.00 would probably confirm that alone. He know knows what I'm doing, trying to put it back to original. I gave him half down to hold it until the end of the week when I can pay him the rest. It looks like a 4 speed Saginaw and the numbers just under the side cover are R7T27. I'll post the pictures at the end of the week when I get it.

 Thanks Stillwatwer, I'll study up on that link you provided.

That's great that it may be the original, Jeff, but make absolutely certain before you pay that King's ransom for it. I love it when people take advantage of you when they know they have something you want. For that price, I suggest getting all the numbers off the pad and any casting numbers and post them here first to have the CRG guys verify it as the original. .....If it isn't the original it's worth $100 around here.
I was at a big swap meet yesterday and could've bought 6 Muncie's for LESS than that. It seems the old 4 speeds are dropping in price with many people opting for 5-6 speeds now.

Good luck with the quest on the transmission. You're very lucky to even be able to trace the history back that far. I can't get the last owner of mine to answer my letters for history.

[Jeffro67]

Ok,
I think the reason it's so high also, is he's getting ticked that I'm bugging him so much.

Jeff.

[Stillwater Camaro]

Jeff, found this in CRG. The 67 Saginaw had a unique casting number from the 68-69. The one you are looking at needs to have that casting number.
Transmission               1967           1968  1969
Saginaw 3-speed    3859986    3925647
H-D 3-Speed    Borg-Warner M13
                            T16-1            Muncie MC1
                                                   3911940

Saginaw 4-speed        3915032        3925656

Muncie 4-speed             3885010     3925660

I'm pulling for you, man. I know how it would feel to be able to track down and obtain the original drivetrain for my car........just don't want to see you get "taken" on parts that aren't original.

[Jeffro67]

Thanks alot for those numbers. are they the two you highlighted in red type? Can it have either of those  two casting  numbers on it?

Jeff.

[Jeffro67]

I think I get it now, just looked at your post again. Is it only the one under the 67 column ending in 032.

Jeff.

[Stillwater Camaro]

I think I get it now, just looked at your post again. Is it only the one under the 67 column ending in 032.

Jeff.

Yup, should be the 032 only.

[Jeffro67]

I was doing some research on CRG and it says that the RPO Z23 option was available independantly of the RPO Z87 in 1967, but not 68 and 69. Does the bright pedal trim on my gas pedal and the bright roof rail moldings mean that my car had the Z23 option? and if it did, would that also had to of included the bright pillar molding?

Thanks, Jeff.

[RickH]

In 1967 RPO Z23 included bright pedal trim, bright interior roofrail trim AND bright pillar moldings. According to your trim tag you do not have the Z23 option. You do have Z21 exterior style trim option.

Rick H.

[Jeffro67]

Thanks Rick, I guess I'm just confused as usual, since I don't see the Z21 on the tag, does that mean it's somehow coded in the 760-Z and the 3K.
 Also I thought the roof rail and pillar trim was exterior items, I see now from your post that it is interior.
 Could you me all that the Z21 option would have included?

 Thanks, Jeff.