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Iowa Jon

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1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« on: June 13, 2024, 07:05:14 PM »
Hello,  I read through the CRG Under hood Components for the correct Cowl Hood Spring.  The chart says 8 3/4  , 26 coils.  Part number.  GM - 3877203.  Spring fits standard and cowl hoods.  I have ordered a couple sets.  The first set was OER.  The spring measures 7 1/2. and 26 coils.  The next set i ordered measured 8  3/8 and 23 coils.  Non of the measurements were available until i received the springs.  Of course they are all incorrect.  The next company told me that only the Standard hood received the 8 3/4 spring.  They even list it on there description.  (  1967 - 1969 Camaro Hood Hinge Spring, Standard, Each, 409025

High quality correct spring rate for use with the flat steel hoods. Sold individually, 2 required per vehicle. This fits all 67, 68 and 69 Camaros, but will various GM models with standard hoods. (Not for SS or cowl induction hood) Replaces GM part number 3877203.)

So is the correct hood spring "GM - 3877203" for Standard and Cowl?  Better yet is 26 coils and 8 - 3/4 correct. 

I figured these springs would be easy to find. 

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2024, 07:27:59 PM »
GMPD listed only two springs for a steel hood.

#3848272 for the SS hood.
#3877203 for standard and ducted hood.

Back in the day, I swapped out two standard hoods for a ducted hood on my Z/28s. Never touched the hood springs.

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2024, 07:43:15 PM »
ok,  Thanks,  I figured the chart at CRG was correct.  Its sometimes hard to explain that to these companies.

The company I bought the OER springs from even opened up another set and they were 7 1/2.  They must have all been labeled wrong at OER. 

Found a pair of NOS but I can't seem to part with $650


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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2024, 08:07:23 PM »
Just received a reply back from Heartbeat City.  They said 7 1/2 is correct for Cowl hood and Standard.  Told me they would refund my money.

Ugh 

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2024, 08:24:22 PM »
Just spoke with Classic Industries.  They measured there OER springs.  7  1/2. 

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2024, 11:27:54 PM »
Filed a complaint with OER.  Just got a message from OER and they sampled there springs and the wrong part numbers were on the packaging. 


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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2024, 01:11:32 AM »
Cowl induction or flat hood springs are easily obtained. I had a surplus and sold some to my hinge restorer. I still have some I think. SS springs can be purchased new. In fact, he supplies SS springs when he rebuilds hinges but I did not need them so I sent them back.

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2024, 04:32:08 PM »
I am also searching for a replacement set of correct 3877203 hood springs for my '69 Z28 with cowl hood.  My original 203 springs are weak and will not hold up the hood.  In March 2023 I purchased a "correct spec" pair of hood springs from HBC, item #BDY-1516 which were OER brand springs.  They worked fair but still allowed the hood to droop down about 4-5" from full up against the hood stop build into the hood hinges. 

Recently, with the hood up and the car idling, the hood slammed shut.  NOT a good or safe thing! If I pull the hood down about a 1/3 of the way, the hood will fall and slam shut.  This could be a liability at a car show with your hood open and someone's head or hands are in the way!  Until I can find replacement spec springs with the proper tension, I wrap a strip of Velcro around the hood hinge to make sure the hood stays open.  This looks a bit better than an cut off broom handle used as a hood prop...lol.

I may try sand blasting my hood springs. This will input some compressive stress in the surface material of the spring which may help improve the tension in the spring. As long as you do not get the spring hot and stress relieve (anneal) and "soften" the material, sand blasting the springs should be okay to test.  Its a cheap method to test but I do not have much confidence this will work.

If anyone find a set of springs that work well, please share your source, brand, and item number. There may be the same spec (size, no of coils, etc.) as the 3877203 springs under a different part number used on another GM model car but I have not yet found one.

Thanks,
Dave

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2024, 04:35:16 PM »
BTW...I did inspect my hood hinges for loose rivet pin holes and they are tight.  The slots that retain the ends of the spring in the hinge appear normal without any elongation.

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2024, 05:39:36 PM »
Call Wiilie. He's the person I've had do dozens of hinges for all makes and models. He may have the pair of springs I recently sold him, or others he has in stock.I may have another pair somewhere else but it will be a while before I get them and/or remember. https://www.hoodhingerepair.com/about/

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2024, 05:54:01 PM »
Sauron327,  Thanks for the tip!

Iowa Jon

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2024, 06:23:08 PM »
Hi Dave,  I finally bought some reproduction hinges from Jegs for $11.67 each.  They have the correct number of turns but they are only
8 - 1/2 inches long.  CRG lists the correct length as 8-3/4.  They fit really well and they are a little strong when I raise the hood. There was a listing on Ebay for $80 for a set of used originals.  I reached out to the seller and he communicated quickly. He measured them for me and said they were 8-3/4 .  I decided to pass

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234905974465


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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2024, 07:50:28 PM »
Thanks Iowa Jon.  I’ll check them out!

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2024, 10:53:48 PM »
I bought the Springs from Jegs.  I accidentally said Hinges.  You probably knew what a meant.   

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Re: 1969 Cowl Hood Spring
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2024, 11:40:03 PM »
Yeah, thought you meant the springs. I purchased the original used hood springs listed on eBay. Thanks again for the tip!