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Marlinf

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‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« on: February 24, 2024, 02:40:11 AM »
Newbie here. I can’t begin to tell you how helpful and enlightening this site has been, but I’m afraid that I now know just enough to be dangerous! Your insights and thoughts will be appreciated.
I have an opportunity to purchase an absolutely gorgeous 69 Lemans Blue Z28 ‘restoration’. The issue is that there is absolutely nothing in the drivetrain that would indicate that this car was originally a Z. The trim plate looks good (see below) and the car matches the trim plate specs, but nothing else ties it back to being an original Z. The VIN would indicate a late 1969 manufacture, and the trim tag bears that out as best it can. Dash VIN matches the cowl partial. This is what I know:
1. The block is an unstamped 014. Incorrect, but workable.
2. I’m nearly certain the heads are fine although I wasn’t able to date-check them.
3. Carb is a service replacement with a DE stamp at the end of the first line. Again, incorrect but workable.
4. Tranny is def a Muncie (3925661), but no date stamp or partial VIN. There is a small and faint ‘37658’ where I would have guessed the partial VIN to be. Service replacement I presume, although not certain if M21 or M22.
5. Axle code is ‘BV 0117G2’ with a stamped ‘E’ under the code. That predates the build date of the car by 9 months and also contradicts BV not being available after 06/69. Casting date on the diff is ‘A39’ and it’s upside-down.
On the plus side, the car looks as though it were recently driven off the showroom floor. Exhaust hanger plate is there, rear drum pressure valve is there, 6x8 tach, console gauges, Z21 trim option, steel ZL2 cowl-induction hood with functional louver. It is a stunningly pretty car and runs like a scalded pup, but there is absolutely no provenance whatsoever. The car is being offered by a very reputable dealership and they have made a pretty fair price concession on it. Obviously, no one else has bought it, which may be telling.
I doubt that I will ever sell the car. Can you guys (gals) let me know if there may be additional ideas or resources that would be helpful in establishing the claim that this was originally a Z28? Would it be good to own even if I can’t establish its authenticity?
Thanks in advance!

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2024, 03:19:07 AM »
I’m know what an absolutely gorgeous restoration looks like, because I’ve seen many. I’m uncertain what “workable” translates to you. Is the car fully restored or not?

Marlinf

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2024, 12:22:40 PM »
‘Workable’ to me is I’m willing to live with it as is. The block and carb are absolutely incorrect, but I’m willing to live with it. The car is a full restoration, except the interior which is original and in great shape. 

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2024, 12:56:10 PM »
Trim tag rivets look odd to me, but I am no expert.

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2024, 01:03:56 PM »
Sounds like a nice car. Listen to that little voice in your head. We all know that there are many more 69 Z's in existence today than were ever built at NOR/LOS. One of the core members might know of this car or have see TT before. Might be in database. If the TT can be authenticated by an expert, that would go a long way as the car shows X33. Real Z's are at a premium these days.

If I was a dealer in possession of the car, I would buck up for an inspection by JM or the like and an NCRS report. If verified a true Z, the cost of the inspection would be chump change compared to the increased value of the car. My two cents..
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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2024, 01:11:21 PM »
Reproduction tag, and not a good one either. Caulk looks like they put some effort into making it look good though.
The rest of the data don't look good either.

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2024, 01:48:15 PM »
124379N695378

Ran through Mecum Indy II 2023 and Kissimmee 2024, did not make reserve. For sale online for some time. Google the VIN.

You have done an excellent job of due diligence. Take the advice and move on. Plenty of real Z/28s out there.
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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2024, 02:12:18 PM »
I just read the current online ad for it. Ohio dealer is pretty adamant that its a real Z. The fact that it didn't sell 2X at Mecum with no paperwork tells the story..
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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2024, 03:59:03 PM »
The real value in a Z28 is the engine if originality is what you seek. Solid lifters and a high rpm setup…yea!

Marlinf

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2024, 01:48:47 AM »
124379N695378

Ran through Mecum Indy II 2023 and Kissimmee 2024, did not make reserve. For sale online for some time. Google the VIN.

You have done an excellent job of due diligence. Take the advice and move on. Plenty of real Z/28s out there.



Why didn’t I think og googling it?! Thanks!

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2024, 01:05:24 AM »
Thanks to all for thoughts and comments. I chose not to buy the Z.

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Re: ‘Restored’ 69 Z28
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2024, 02:32:01 AM »
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