Assessing value of this car.

[169INDY]

Davey, The Body was still coded and built - constructed with the Content for the Desirable RPO, Not Just a Motor, Rear, Trans, RPO ID badging, and Special stripes, Suspension, Brakes,  It IS still a Z28 even if the motor is missing, this could be corrected in many ways, Install a 427, Install a CE motor, Find orig motor etc,,,,,,,, which in my book also equates to value. It is my belief the Market will also demand value
In my opinion.

Jimmy

My LOS Z11 is missing the Factory installed Motor & It is Still a Z11,

[bcmiller]

I can't remember the exact number but is seems like JM said a NOM would knock the value down 30 percent compared to if it had the original engine.

[camaronut]

Well if it were me, I’d offer maybe $50k (tops) then make it a real z again with a real DZ engine ($$$$$) and M22 trans —— if I were to keep it for myself.  I wouldn’t mess with numbers… just be up front about it.  It would have that Z feel again. 

[David K]

My point is simply this. If the car in the link below was built as a Z from the factory,  is it still a marketed as a Z?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-chevrolet-camaro-338/

[Jonesy]

If it has x33 or x77 still on the factory installed cowl tag, its was born a Z28. I guess I dont see it any other way.
The more components its missing, the less the value. A bare body x33 or x77 will bring more than a x11 body IMO.
If a Z11 pace car is missing its engine, its still a Z11 Pace car.
If an X66 Yenko Camaro is missing its engine, its Still a Yenko as they have the list of VIN to verify it.

To say its not, makes no sense to me.



The BaT example is an X11

[David K]

Jonesy, we can agree to disagree on this. But an X11 could also have been built as a COPO. So could this BAT car be marketed as such?
For those who are interested in the X code nomenclature, here is the link.
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#XnnCodes

[schlepcar]

 I know it’s an older post but I have to satisfy my curiosity. If the car is an original Z it is definitely worth more. My logic would be if the original driveline were missing deduct at least 30 percent. If that were the only parts missing that would make sense. One could easily put a stock non numbers driveline back into it. The problem is usually the non number driveline is gone…the factory,tach,gauges,radio,rear axle(supposedly still there),wheels,correct under hood items…..etc….that is where the 30 percent can easily make 50-60 percent off the value. I would have to think it is worth more as an original Z after comparing what a complete Z is worth compared to a complete X11 car. Of course my opinion is based on the sellers story that it is a Z and it is also what appears to be a rust free car.

[Jonesy]

X33 and X77 were definitive Z28 production codes. Therefore they are Z28's
Z11 was only applied to Convertible pace car, therefore its an Indy Pace Car Convertible.

X11 is a style trim code. Many different models could have this. So its harder to define "what is was originally"

If an LA built Z28 with completely legible tank sticker showing proper codes designating it was bulit as a Z28, its a z28 even if its missing its original engine.

Totally my opinion. Im done

[hpaddict]

Jonesy, those are pretty much my thoughts as well. 

A previous poster mentioned it, but it appears J.M. has made comments regarding missing engines knocking down value about 30%.   I would say that is a fair analysis.

Let’s say, a ZL1 goes for $1,000, 000, a Z/28 for $75K, and an SS for $55k.   There is a higher chance xxx  than getting each of those bodies without the original engine for the same price as a 6 cyl body. 


Edited to remove politics. *******

[FRANKTHECRANK]

The “Real Z/28” means nothing and carrys no extra value for the car because the original engine and trans are gone.

I disagree that a NOM Z/28 has no additional value due to the non original engine. The market says otherwise.

I agree. You can't erase the history of a car. It was still sold originally as a Z28. Non-original engine Z28s are still considered part of that total Z28s sold from the factory. Sure, it has less value than one with the original engine, but it's worth a lot more than a base Camaro in similar condition.....especially ones that come with some documentation.

[bcmiller]

Removed one reply and edited out political opinion.

I have my political opinions too but I try to keep them out of this forum. Rules are rules.

[hpaddict]

Removed one reply and edited out political opinion.

I have my political opinions too but I try to keep them out of this forum. Rules are rules.

Is this listed in Forum Guidelines? I would like to review what other forms of speech are prohibited on this site. 

I simply posted a CONTRAST/COMPARISON. 

[bcmiller]

Removed one reply and edited out political opinion.

I have my political opinions too but I try to keep them out of this forum. Rules are rules.

Is this listed in Forum Guidelines? I would like to review what other forms of speech are prohibited on this site. 

I simply posted a CONTRAST/COMPARISON. 

Let me find it.

[bcmiller]

You agreed to this when you registered with the forum.

[KurtS]

I completely support Bryon on this one. I also was going to edit out that comment.
This forum has maintained a civil tone for literally decades. This is due to members refraining from posting inflammatory comments. It's not uncommon for forums to ban one or two people a month. Just look at facebook to see where we could be. It's been years since we've needed to ban someone.

> I would like to review what other forms of speech are prohibited on this site.
Rich wrote this in a forum post almost 20 years ago and it addresses your concerns concisely.
"....please be aware that this is not a democratic forum (in the dictionary sense of the word).  You have no inherent right to post here - you post at the whim and discretion of the CRG....."

We moderate with a very light touch IMO, but we do moderate.

Kurt
CRG Coordinator