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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2022, 02:33:43 PM »
In 2004, someone was looking at purchasing a 1969 Z28 and said that the replacement POP only had limited information and he could not verify that it was originally a Z28:

https://www.camaros.net/threads/replacement-protect-o-plate.22637/

CRG members William and JohnZ replied that the replacement POP only contained limited information.

Second owner POP's had no drivetrain info on them. They had the current mileage when sold and also had a #2 for second owner

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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2022, 04:06:32 PM »
I will look later today. I think I have one or two second owner PoPs.
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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2022, 08:14:08 PM »
I think the POP shown previously looks awfully NEW. 

Here is a second owner POP from a 1970 Camaro.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now old school 468 big block
1967 Camaro RS/SS 396 coupe L35/M40 - 4 generation family project
Looking for 68 Camaro with body # NOR 181016

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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2022, 08:40:40 PM »
Agreed the one 68 ragtop posted is a repo

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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2022, 10:04:21 PM »
Heres my 2nd owner POP on my Z28.

so what does the 162 at the bottom represent?

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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2022, 12:29:46 AM »
the vehicle mileage
^ from POP info under Numbers decdoe^

Similarly My 2nd Owner POP has the Number "131"

I wondering out loud, you just add two zeros?  Yours 16,200mi, mine 13,100mi as a point of reference towards the 50,000mi limit

not sure?
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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2022, 01:29:23 AM »
I think that is right. Hundreds of miles on the car. 
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now old school 468 big block
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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2022, 04:34:23 AM »
A warranty POP and the decode are shown here: http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#POPCodes
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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2022, 05:05:39 PM »
I am also confused by the statement that the CRG was not meant to look up cars? I refer people to the site often to learn from the research reports and prior threads. If there is information about a specific car that is great information to bring forward. If it was presented by a past owner or a past sale and is up for sale again then I am sure there is still a way to present the info with some discretion. I was disappointed to see the rear end stamp was scratched out.

Additionally, Danny you have provided many pics of your BY car and I don't even own a 68 and I followed it for a long time for all the detail you went into, which would seem to add to the info the CRG has on hand, not sure why there wouldn't be a lot of reciprocity.

(CRG-Not the best "welcome" mat, as a way to encourage others to share info though.)

Danny I wish you well, continue to fight the good fight, and God bless you buddy.
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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2022, 05:32:14 PM »
I am also confused by the statement that the CRG was not meant to look up cars? ………..(CRG-Not the best "welcome" mat, as a way to encourage others to share info though.)

Danny I wish you well, continue to fight the good fight, and God bless you buddy.

I totally agree.  I always, prior to recent comments, understood that one of the main functions of CRG was as a repository of information and a database of cars that could/would be shared openly.  (I’m talking about basic car info - not particulars that can be used to fake a car’s legitimacy.)  Back when I was a regular poster (up through about mid-2014), willingly answering questions regarding whether or not a car was in the database was done willingly…..and quite frankly I’m surprised to learn that is no longer reality.

Much more importantly - good luck and Godspeed Danny.

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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2022, 08:07:26 PM »
Nope.

If you didn’t understand my reasoning, well that’s fine.

Having an open database was never the intent. And THAT would not be good for those who have contributed and wanted their data to remain confidential.

I think some have found this as a “service” to personally benefit financially. Nope - it is not - at least in my opinion.
Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now old school 468 big block
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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2022, 08:18:13 PM »
I am also confused by the statement that the CRG was not meant to look up cars? I refer people to the site often to learn from the research reports and prior threads. If there is information about a specific car that is great information to bring forward. If it was presented by a past owner or a past sale and is up for sale again then I am sure there is still a way to present the info with some discretion. I was disappointed to see the rear end stamp was scratched out.

Additionally, Danny you have provided many pics of your BY car and I don't even own a 68 and I followed it for a long time for all the detail you went into, which would seem to add to the info the CRG has on hand, not sure why there wouldn't be a lot of reciprocity.

(CRG-Not the best "welcome" mat, as a way to encourage others to share info though.)

Danny I wish you well, continue to fight the good fight, and God bless you buddy.

You are entitled to your opinion.

The rear end stamp MIGHT have been damaged by exhaust rubbing in that area. Or it may have been done intentionally.

As for information, thousands of hours were spent on the data posted on the site, general information and specific reports. Those are a huge service to CRG members and the general public.

Data in the forum is very valuable too.
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Bryon / 1968 Camaro SS 396 coupe - now old school 468 big block
1967 Camaro RS/SS 396 coupe L35/M40 - 4 generation family project
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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2022, 08:54:46 PM »
Nope.

If you didn’t understand my reasoning, well that’s fine.

Having an open database was never the intent. And THAT would not be good for those who have contributed and wanted their data to remain confidential.

I think some have found this as a “service” to personally benefit financially. Nope - it is not - at least in my opinion.

The great service is when data is found on a car that has resurfaced and/or come up for sale. The CRG obviously can hold back data or outright refuse to disclose such info, but how are they policing who benefits financially? If someone learns a car is more original or legitimate, and decides to purchase it, aren't they just making a more informed decision with their money? Does the CRG then look down on the situation?
If the info isn't provided by the CRG and someone over pays for a car,  does the CRG approve since there was no financial gain? (a loss)

I personally don't think the CRG should pick a side in financial gain or loss, when providing info. I think the CRG is best just presenting the facts and history about these cars, and then let the buyers or sellers make their own decisions. (like the buyer beware posts) Thanks William

This new decision to release info based on overseeing if there is financial gain, seems worrisome.
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-Looking for 3192477 (front) spiral shocks 3192851 (rear)
-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: Silver '69 Z/28 on Bring a Trailer
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2022, 09:00:27 PM »
You don’t get it and that is sad.

The database is not an “open book” - for many reasons. Confidentiality being number one.
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Looking for 68 Camaro with body # NOR 181016

 

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