Is this the end of GM?

[Z282NV]

Before this all turns sideways this has NOTHING to do with 1967-8-9 Camaros.

If you can't get fuel or parts, you won't be driving (or repairing) your '67-69 Camaros...

Then you will then just have to convert it to a 450V

https://electrek.co/2019/11/05/electric-1969-chevrolet-camar-new-plug-play-ev-conversion-kit/

[Mike S]

  Nothing wrong with a little garage talk especially if there is a future possibility of our gas powered classic cars either carbon taxed heavily out right -or- banned from the roads due to emission requirements that are unattainable with old cars. Interesting conversation nonetheless.

Mike

[Stingr69]

There are electric cars that can go to stations to swap batteries faster than you can fill up your tank with gas.  Not in this country YET.

The political forces pushing the issue are trying to make this "EV" option sound good but generating all that electricity will burn a LOT of fossil fuel!   Unless........the public opinion changes on atomic energy.   This is where we are going, one way or another.  EV's and nuclear power to save the planet.

[crossboss]

Before this all turns sideways this has NOTHING to do with 1967-8-9 Camaros.

You wont be driving/repairing ANY internal combustion powered car, period. There, I fixed it.

[Z282NV]

Before this all turns sideways this has NOTHING to do with 1967-8-9 Camaros.

You wont be driving/repairing ANY internal combustion powered car, period. There, I fixed it.

LOL, I can tell you with some of the headaches my Holley Street Avenger carb has given me that might be a good thing.

[GMAD_Van Nuys]

I lost whatever small input I had with GM when Fidelity, who took over administration of the retirement program for GM salaried-employees in 2003, sold all my shares of GM stock the day before the company went Chapter 11 for $1/share.

[MO]

There are electric cars that can go to stations to swap batteries faster than you can fill up your tank with gas.  Not in this country YET.

The political forces pushing the issue are trying to make this "EV" option sound good but generating all that electricity will burn a LOT of fossil fuel!   Unless........the public opinion changes on atomic energy.   This is where we are going, one way or another.  EV's and nuclear power to save the planet.

Supposedly the future is fusion.

[MO]

Not only that, but where are all these discarded batteries going to end up when their usage life is over?   

Send them with the Mars rover.

[crossboss]

This whole electric car thing that is being forced upon us is a joke. The biggest hypocrites proposing this farce are the so called 'greenies' who ride in limos, drive their 8mpg Bentleys, and fly in their private jets to accept awards/go across the county for dinner, along with their 15K a month electric bills in their mansions. These so called 'save the planet' people create a carbon footprint larger than 500,000 people. Its the 'Do as I say, not as I do crowd' that need to conserve the most.

[MO]

Again, people need to understand the the underlying issues, become informed and vote for politicians/policies accordingly. Most people are sold on the "saving something for our children and grandchildren" mentality. But no one is telling them what the true reality of that is. Believe me, I am all for saving the planet, recycling and such. But we are headed down the wrong path currently and this discussion has shown some of the flaws with the logic. For the most part, most people won't do anything until they are forced too, and by then it's too late to do anything but follow along.

Sorry, but I think we have gotten away from how this relates to GM's decision from the original post. I think manufacturers are saying what is expected of them now, and will let the chips fall as they may when the 2030's get here.

[crossboss]

Again, people need to understand the the underlying issues, become informed and vote for politicians/policies accordingly. Most people are sold on the "saving something for our children and grandchildren" mentality. But no one is telling them what the true reality of that is. Believe me, I am all for saving the planet, recycling and such. But we are headed down the wrong path currently and this discussion has shown some of the flaws with the logic. For the most part, most people won't do anything until they are forced too, and by then it's too late to do anything but follow along.

Sorry, but I think we have gotten away from how this relates to GM's decision from the original post. I think manufacturers are saying what is expected of them now, and will let the chips fall as they may when the 2030's get here.

I believe my prior comment does relate to GM. Why? Because they (and other manufacturers) are in my opinion, bowing down to the politicians, hypocrites, and Hollywood types who are making all the noise. Its the old saying: "The squeaky wheel gets the grease".

[Kelley W King]

I think GM and others will build what sells. There will be fuel for our classics for a long time. More things than just cars depend on it. People who think we can just do away with it just can,t see the big picture. My 62 solar panels at my house are nice, but they don,t work well with snow on them but my gas generator does.

[crossboss]

Boys,
Saw this post on my other site concerning the same topic. Kinda scary how the corporations think:

GM sees China as their future. They have moved most of their engineering there and have several plants cranking out cars with zero corporate liability. Many years ago a friend worked at Motor Trend and sat in on a panel where GM was saying they were tired of being sued when a wheel fell off a 55 Chevy. They wanted cars to last 7 years and be scrapped. They love the slave labor rates in China more than the UAW mandates for overtime, pensions and healthcare. At that time there was over $5,000 in each car for what they called legacy costs to cover retiree pensions and healthcare for them. In the end GM will become just another foreign car company selling their wares in America.

[adjudimo]

If that is what they want to do and since their cars are going to be built in China, well then maybe, we either buy from a company still in the US, or buy a foreign car built other than from one who bailed on the USA. Simply, don't support them with purchases. Let'em sell them to the Chinese. Let their new liabilities be of their own making. I feel sorry for the younger generation with what seems be be lurking ahead. Use to be the older guys would make comments about wishing they could be in that young fellows shoes now. Well, I'm older now and I don't hear that comment anymore. Not in this day and age. Wonder why?

[crossboss]

If that is what they want to do and since their cars are going to be built in China, well then maybe, we either buy from a company still in the US, or buy a foreign car built other than from one who bailed on the USA. Simply, don't support them with purchases. Let'em sell them to the Chinese. Let their new liabilities be of their own making. I feel sorry for the younger generation with what seems be be lurking ahead. Use to be the older guys would make comments about wishing they could be in that young fellows shoes now. Well, I'm older now and I don't hear that comment anymore. Not in this day and age. Wonder why?

I hate to say this, I lost all faith in General Motors when they filed for BK and we the taxpayers bailed them out. I WILL shop elsewhere. Some say Ford was the only one not taking tax money. However, Im not pleased with them also. So, whats remaining on the US front? Chrysler...yep they took taxpayer money too. 'I' will never buy a foreign car. So, for me a newer used car is the ticket. A 2-3 year older Challenger is very appealing...