Rosette shape variances in 67

[Mike S]

  This is an offspring from the post here titled 1967RS http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=17291.msg157465#new
I have raised the topic of the rivet and how the round shape would make one assume it was off the car. I counter that being I have been in that situation myself with my unrestored 67 LOS and have since researched and found several examples ranging from a very faint rosette shape to round. In the picture posted below you can see several examples of round and.or a slight shape of a rosette pattern. Surprisingly many are from LOS  and one from NOR.
  My belief is that so many were stamped and with the technology back then, I am sure many were produced due to worn dies but still used. And seeing what looks like a round rivet may actually show slight ridges when viewed in person which is why pictures make it hard to show. I am not talking about the Home Depot rivets that stand obviously stand out.
Attached are two pictures with one being a reference to a typical rosette pattern clearly visible and the other with the few examples of where the patter is not so well defined or not there.

Mike

[westonz28]

I will look at my L150010 vin plate to see if it has these types of rivets. I know it has never been off the car. I will get a picture and post it here.

[BULLITT65]

So if I understand right, you are saying so many rivets were used that when the vendor made them, some got pressed wrong still made it in the bin and were used because the line was fast enough, where workers just grabbed them and used all the rivets? Sorry if I did not follow your theory.

separate question:
If you have these abnormalities, where most vin tags had both flower style rivets but every so often had a round rivet. Is it possible there I a car(or cars) out there with 2 round rivets?

[Mike S]

 Something like that, in theory.
I can understand that during mass production many can be made before it is discovered.
As for a car with 2 round heads....I guess in theory it is possible, but I believe the round and/or rivets with only small traces of a rosette pattern were not common, and when tossed into a bin, the chances of getting two identical rounds were slim.
  This is just my theory. As you have seen there are VIN tags with these variances and that is just from the small sample posted on the web.

Mike

[BULLITT65]

Well I was just proposing a worst case scenario, if you will, of what could also happen. I am not trying to legitimize a 67 with 2 round rivets, but I would take pity if there is a guy out there with one. That would be an uphill battle if taken to task.

Good thread, good pics to back it up, about some little known info .

[Mike S]

I agree.....if someone was unfortunate to have two....we know how that would be assumed. 

Mike

[bcmiller]

There are known cases with original cars - in 67 - with one round and one rosette rivet. A few with both being round and original. There are other things to look for to say if it’s original or not.

[68camaroz28]

There are known cases with original cars - in 67 - with one round and one rosette rivet. A few with both being round and original. There are other things to look for to say if it’s original or not.

Has this only been noted in 67 or are there other year examples?

[69Z28-RS]

Looking closely at the VIN plate on the car being discussed (the yellow car), it seems that while the rivet is not the typical rosette shape, it is also clear that the rivet is NOT a standard round rivet.. one can see very small extensions where the rosette would be...

[KurtS]

This was noted years ago - both tag rivets were definitely used in 67. I always took it as a shortage but I see what you mean. Some of those look to be poorly stamped rosette rivets.
68 and 69 rivet heads are under the dash - a whole lot harder to see.

[67rs/ss396]

Just an FYI my 67 L158 tag rivets look just like the 2 L158's up above. When the DMV
came to inspect the car he took a lot of time inspecting the rivets and hidden vins. It took
about 6 weeks before they sent the title.

[Vince]

I just recently was going over my 67 RS SS getting it ready for a local car show and happened to look at the VIN tag and remembering this thread paid attention to the rivets.  Mine are definitely both the rosette type.  My car is an 01D Norwood car.   Does anyone know what the capital D's mean or stand for after CHEVROLET on the tag, or maybe they are O's? 

[Petes L48]

It's a spot where the dealer could stamp the vehicle (D)elivery (D)ate.  From what I've seen, few used it.  There's a thread here or on TC site.

[Vince]

Thanks Pete.