Two questions of 69 Camaro options

[67jeffreyt]

Could you order a 69 Camaro with rally sport and copo 427 and not badge the car as an SS?   And secondly if GM advertised the cowl induction for the Camaro as a super scoop, how was it labeled and sold by the dealer?  Was it sold as super scoop or was it listed as cowl induction?  I've read that Chevelle got the cowl induction name first.  I wasn't born yet so I'm asking for clarification. 

[68camaroz28]

They were not badged SS

[william]

2 of the 69 ZL1 COPOs were RS; approximately 50-100 of the 997 L72 COPOs were RS. None of the COPO cars were ordered or badged as SS. Both ZL1 RS and most of the L72 RS were built with RS front/rear badging and Camaro fender emblems. After July, they were built with rally-sport fender emblems.

"Super Scoop" was a marketing name. The ZL2 option was known as Special Ducted Hood. It was included with COPO 9560 & 9561 and does not appear on factory documents for those cars.

Correct; Cowl Induction started with the 1970 Chevelle.

[67jeffreyt]

That is great information, thank you very much

[group/7]

Here are a couple of ads for the Camaro with the Super Scoop. I really like the one that says "insert foot...open mouth" 
The ads from that time were really cool !

[group/7]

67jeffreyt, thanks for starting this topic, Coming back to this just for interest, william, in your post about the COPO cars & the ZL2

 hood. I have the '69 GM Vehicle Ordering Manual for the Camaro  that dealers had. It is dated April 1, 1969. The  "Hood,
 
Special Ducted ZL2"  shows on the  blue sheet, but not on the white one listing the options. There are no COPO options showing on

 the sheet with Power Teams, was this something that came in after this date, April 1, 1969. Was there a separate, or later listing.

 Maybe because this is the Canadian book, it was not available. I think there were COPOs sold in Canada ?

Ready to learn, Mike.

[BULLITT65]

It was my understanding that the COPO program was a big secret (not widely known), and besides having the knowledge you had to know the right dealer to get an order through. I also thought this was the case for the ZL-1, and the L88 option.

[bcmiller]

Mike or group/7

You won’t see a Powerteams listing for the 427s.

[william]

It is not known how availability of COPOs 9560, 9561 & 9737 was communicated throughout the dealer network. Legend has it they were supposed to be exclusive to their respective dealerships, Gibb Chevrolet and Yenko Chevrolet. But Berger Chevrolet learned of them early on and initially ordered one of each. Their ZL1 [body # 211785] was actually ordered prior to Gibbs' 50 car order.

Chevrolet deliberately avoided listing either 427 engine in build records. ZL1 & L72 COPO vehicle build records list the L78 engine making the official published option total of 4,889 incorrect. There were 69 ZL1s, 997 L72s and 3,823 L78s.

L88 and ZL1 engines were Corvette options. Those cars are not considered COPOs.

[BULLITT65]

I saw a 69 unrestored car at the "survivor show" in Bloomington a few years ago claiming to be a rare L88 SS Camaro. Are you saying this was not an available special option, and he could have only gotten those over the counter for a 69 Camaro?

[bcmiller]

I saw a 69 unrestored car at the "survivor show" in Bloomington a few years ago claiming to be a rare L88 SS Camaro. Are you saying this was not an available special option, and he could have only gotten those over the counter for a 69 Camaro?

No factory L88 Camaros from 1967 to 1969. Period.

I do know a few things....

 

[ZLP955]

Several engines don't feature in some power team lists. If you download the '69 Camaro package from the GM Heritage Center, it doesn't even have the 302ci Z/28 engine specs, or any 396ci other than L35.

[william]

In the late '80s Len Williamson wrote a book listing Chevrolet production totals back to 1960. He requested and received data from Chevrolet and published it, apparently unaltered. The summation lists engines by cubic inch displacement; the option totals list each version.

Every 1st Gen Camaro production figure you have ever seen came from his data.

[rlw68]

It is not known how availability of COPOs 9560, 9561 & 9737 was communicated throughout the dealer network. Legend has it they were supposed to be exclusive to their respective dealerships, Gibb Chevrolet and Yenko Chevrolet. But Berger Chevrolet learned of them early on and initially ordered one of each. Their ZL1 [body # 211785] was actually ordered prior to Gibbs' 50 car order.

I've seen several 1969 dealer ads announcing the availability of 427 Camaros.   Guess the secret got out at some point.

[69Z28-RS]

I saw a 69 unrestored car at the "survivor show" in Bloomington a few years ago claiming to be a rare L88 SS Camaro. Are you saying this was not an available special option, and he could have only gotten those over the counter for a 69 Camaro?

No factory L88 Camaros from 1967 to 1969. Period.

I do know a few things....
 

Bryon,  I believe your statement would be accurate leaving off the '67-69 limitation!