VIN, TT, title posting

[z28z11]

Thought this was illegal ?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-SS-RS/143111614559?hash=item21521df05f:g:Z6cAAOSwdwVcTfZi:rk:12:pf:0

I know this has been discussed before, and in current threads. If paired with a Dynacorn body, is it a federal or state laws that apply ?

Regards,
Steve

[bertfam]

Thought this was illegal ?

It is, but as long as ebay gets their cut, they don't care. Too bad. They're an accessory to a felony.

I know this has been discussed before, and in current threads. If paired with a Dynacorn body, is it a federal or state laws that apply ?

From the DYNACORN site:

A Vehicle or Vessel Identification Number (VIN) is issued by a manufacturer or State Licensing authority. There are three ways for a vehicle to obtain a number.

1. An existing VIN on a vehicle that is titled in your name can be transferred to a repair part (as instructed by your State authority).
2. A number may be issued by your State to ID a custom built vehicle when it passes a safety and number verification inspection.
3. A licensed manufacturer issued a VIN when the vehicle (or vessel) is made and ready for delivery. This can only be issued when a “turn key” (completed) car, truck, boat or aircraft has been manufactured.

These bodies are intended to save rust or collision damaged vehicles by providing a welded shell to start bolting on parts from your car along with the new parts for the restoration. In most States, an application to build a vehicle from scratch is allowed and outlined. Contact your State motor vehicle division to get the paperwork and instructions from them.

While they state that "An existing VIN on a vehicle that is titled in your name can be transferred to a repair part (as instructed by your State authority)", the buying and selling of VIN plates and Titles is a federal crime. Therefore, you can only transferred the VIN plate if you own the car it's currently attached to. And of course, even this varies from state to state. Some states allow it while others don't.

Ed

[crossboss]

Boys,
Its a felony. According to Federal law, anyone who 'alters, tampers, removes/replaces a VIN is considered a felony' That said, would this also apply to re-stampng/re-attaching a known VIN on a 'new' Dynacorn body. Also known as a 're-body'. Just a reminder, Federal law trumps ANY state/local/county penal codes regarding these matters. Here is an example: California has 'legalized' pot, yet according to Federal law, pot is illegal in ALL 50 states.

[william]

http://brandnewmusclecar.com/register.html

These guys advertise:

An existing VIN on a vehicle that is titled in your name can be transferred to a repair part / replacement body (as instructed by your State authority). We can provided all-metal, all-new replacement bodies with original VINs and title paperwork if desired or required. This is optional depending on customer specifications and requirements.

[crossboss]

http://brandnewmusclecar.com/register.html

These guys advertise:

An existing VIN on a vehicle that is titled in your name can be transferred to a repair part / replacement body (as instructed by your State authority). We can provided all-metal, all-new replacement bodies with original VINs and title paperwork if desired or required. This is optional depending on customer specifications and requirements.

Id be very wary on that 'claim'. Check with the FBI or your state Highway Patrol first. A little back history lesson on re-VINs: during the 1969 model year close, Ford/Shelby wanted to upgrade unsold 1969 Shelby's to 'new' 1970 models. This required the re-VINs supervised by FBI officials. And this was from a known manufacturer, Ford.
Boys, Im just saying be VARY careful on a situation like the ebay auction concerning this matter….

[bertfam]

Im just saying be VARY careful on a situation like the ebay auction concerning this matter….

The ebay auction is a felony, plain and simple.

Ed

[Sauron327]

Boys,
Its a felony. According to Federal law, anyone who 'alters, tampers, removes/replaces a VIN is considered a felony' That said, would this also apply to re-stampng/re-attaching a known VIN on a 'new' Dynacorn body. Also known as a 're-body'. Just a reminder, Federal law trumps ANY state/local/county penal codes regarding these matters. Here is an example: California has 'legalized' pot, yet according to Federal law, pot is illegal in ALL 50 states.

I was in the collision industry. A VIN can be transferred to a replacement body part. Procedures and guidelines vary by state.

[crossboss]

Boys,
Its a felony. According to Federal law, anyone who 'alters, tampers, removes/replaces a VIN is considered a felony' That said, would this also apply to re-stampng/re-attaching a known VIN on a 'new' Dynacorn body. Also known as a 're-body'. Just a reminder, Federal law trumps ANY state/local/county penal codes regarding these matters. Here is an example: California has 'legalized' pot, yet according to Federal law, pot is illegal in ALL 50 states.

I was in the collision industry. A VIN can be transferred to a replacement body part. Procedures and guidelines vary by state.

You are correct…on a replacement cowl, on the SAME car. That does apply to reattaching it to another car.

[Sauron327]

Boys,
Its a felony. According to Federal law, anyone who 'alters, tampers, removes/replaces a VIN is considered a felony' That said, would this also apply to re-stampng/re-attaching a known VIN on a 'new' Dynacorn body. Also known as a 're-body'. Just a reminder, Federal law trumps ANY state/local/county penal codes regarding these matters. Here is an example: California has 'legalized' pot, yet according to Federal law, pot is illegal in ALL 50 states.

I was in the collision industry. A VIN can be transferred to a replacement body part. Procedures and guidelines vary by state.

You are correct…on a replacement cowl, on the SAME car. That does apply to reattaching it to another car.

 A Dynacorn body is considered a replacement part.  Transferring the VIN depends on state guidelines. People in the collision business have bought brand new truck cabs to replace totalled ones and legally transferred the VIN.

[crossboss]

Boys,
Its a felony. According to Federal law, anyone who 'alters, tampers, removes/replaces a VIN is considered a felony' That said, would this also apply to re-stampng/re-attaching a known VIN on a 'new' Dynacorn body. Also known as a 're-body'. Just a reminder, Federal law trumps ANY state/local/county penal codes regarding these matters. Here is an example: California has 'legalized' pot, yet according to Federal law, pot is illegal in ALL 50 states.

I was in the collision industry. A VIN can be transferred to a replacement body part. Procedures and guidelines vary by state.

You are correct…on a replacement cowl, on the SAME car. That does apply to reattaching it to another car.

 A Dynacorn body is considered a replacement part.  Transferring the VIN depends on state guidelines. People in the collision business have bought brand new truck cabs to replace totalled ones and legally transferred the VIN.

Hmmm…with all due respect, Im sure thats a no-no. Call the FBI and see what their reply is concerning removing/replacing a VIN onto a  Dynacorn 'replacement body'. Re-VINs are generally done by your states Highway Patrol office.

[Niblet]

Boys,
Its a felony. According to Federal law, anyone who 'alters, tampers, removes/replaces a VIN is considered a felony' That said, would this also apply to re-stampng/re-attaching a known VIN on a 'new' Dynacorn body. Also known as a 're-body'. Just a reminder, Federal law trumps ANY state/local/county penal codes regarding these matters. Here is an example: California has 'legalized' pot, yet according to Federal law, pot is illegal in ALL 50 states.

I was in the collision industry. A VIN can be transferred to a replacement body part. Procedures and guidelines vary by state.

Lots of things are felonys, getting said felony prosecuted is another altogether,,nothing will happen to Ebay or the seller
 best we can do is document it for the future if/when someone sells it

[Mike S]

Interesting topic!
I found this site with the the US law.

Scott, The type of work you do (collision and restoration), would that fall under section b, 2-b&c?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/511

Mike

[Sauron327]

Interesting topic!
I found this site with the the US law.

Scott, The type of work you do (collision and restoration), would that fall under section b, 2-b&c?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/511

Mike

Affirmative.

[Mike S]

  If I interpret this correctly, it appears the US law is allowing the state decide what is legal or not.
Scott,
 So if a body was either severely damaged in a collision or extensively rusted to the point there is no longer structural integrity, then a VIN can be moved to a new Dynacorn replacement body under sect B, 2-B,C if the state law allows.  Is that how it could be done in Connecticut being it sounds like you have done collision work like this in the past? I assume the state would have this documented in the DMV records.

Mike

[RUNUTZ]

I made a deal one time on a 1970 chevelle in Kentucky that turned out to be a 71.The guy transfered the vin and the trim tag onto the 71.The only reason he had to recind the deal is he didn't fill out a $7 dollar form stating he did so.I called the state it was a legal swap if he would have done the paperwork.