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Edgemontvillage

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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2019, 01:25:13 AM »
Here is a picture of Charley's pace car (from the Yenko site) The plot thickens.

Although not a Gen 1, here are photos of the trunk of Charlie's former 1,100 mile '70 Z/28 - note the tape. The spatter paint coverage is far better than I've seen on Norwood Gen 1's:

 





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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2019, 01:47:26 AM »
Here is a picture of Charley's pace car (from the Yenko site) The plot thickens.

Although not a Gen 1, here are photos of the trunk of Charlie's former 1,100 mile '70 Z/28 - note the tape. The spatter paint coverage is far better than I've seen on Norwood Gen 1's:

 





The spatter on LOS cars sure was different, like stringers! At least that is what it looks like!
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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2019, 01:49:49 AM »
Allright so Reply 51 & 75 show tape at the rear shock hole. More than likely this hole was covered too. When the top of the shock came up through the opening it probably pushed the tape out onto the trunk floor. Now we just have to determine the proper size piece of tape for this and the floor.

Edgemontvillage

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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2019, 02:40:17 AM »
Allright so Reply 51 & 75 show tape at the rear shock hole. More than likely this hole was covered too. When the top of the shock came up through the opening it probably pushed the tape out onto the trunk floor. Now we just have to determine the proper size piece of tape for this and the floor.

Dan, John Z (John Hinkley) posted some time ago on CRG that in fact the number 3 position subframe bolt holes and the rear shock mounting holes were taped during Fisher Body's water penetration test. Except for Replies 51 & 75 there haven't been other photos of the tape on the rear shock mounting holes from original, untouched cars (I haven't been able to locate them anyway). The photo in Reply 51 suggests the tape covering the shock mounting holes was applied from the under the body (consistent with the position 3 bolt holes). It would be interesting to develop this subject further.

Mike S

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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2019, 04:18:22 AM »
Agreed! I'll carefully remove the shock to examine the tape. I'll spritz the edges first in an effort to prevent it from crumbling. 
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« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2019, 04:31:15 AM »
In regards to the picture of the 70 Camaro, I could not understand why there was only one shock cap used on the left side but nothing on the right.
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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2019, 06:30:09 AM »
Funny I have had people comment to me about the shock top thread cap only being on the left side. NO NEED to have one on the right side as the spare tire is in the way. So luggage, straps etc. will not and cannot get torn because they can't get to that spot. At least that's the reason for '67-'69. Danny

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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2019, 12:55:59 AM »
In regards to the picture of the 70 Camaro, I could not understand why there was only one shock cap used on the left side but nothing on the right.
Mike, GM had no need to as the other side was protected by the spare tire so the left side was the only side that needed protection. JohnZ had reviewed that at some time in the past.
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69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2019, 01:40:34 PM »
Lloyd
Here is one of the rear bushings on your old Black RS Z... the metal is visible above the rubber.

Also a photo of the tape under the bushing.




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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2019, 03:42:18 PM »
Lloyd
Here is one of the rear bushings on your old Black RS Z... the metal is visible above the rubber.

Also a photo of the tape under the bushing.






James, thanks for posting, the discussion relates to the upper bushing location, between the body and subframe rail, I'm not seeing any metal there? Its acknowledged the lower bushing in the stack, that accepts the bolt and separate washer, shows the integrated washer.   

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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2019, 05:37:38 PM »
Here are some exploded views...
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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2019, 06:12:11 PM »
I pointed out the evidence of washers in reply #70; you just have to look closely. They sometimes don't show up well because the rubber collapses and swells, thus obscuring them.

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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2019, 01:13:17 AM »
Lloyd, everything so far is showing the metal washer or whatever we call it against the unitized body. What I have noticed our NOS late 1970's purchased seem to definitely have a thicker metal washer. Skip's 69 survivor has the metal washer also. I believe without that washer you will lose engineering integrity.


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68 Z/28 NOR 01B Orig motor/trans/rear
69 Z/28 NOR 07A Orig Block & GM Cross-ram/carbs
69 L34 Rest. Nova Father/Son Car
69 L78 Surv Nova Purch 4/69 31K miles
67 L89 Corv Tribute
68 Corv 427/400 Orig motor
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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2019, 12:55:03 AM »
Any conclusion on what size the tape should be?
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Re: Body Mount Tape - Width
« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2019, 01:15:08 AM »
Here are some exploded views...

James, you may recall the 10 10 car was full of an unusual red dust (inside and out). When I lowered the right side frame rail to replace the fuel line which had been modified at some point to install an electric fuel pump, I also pulled the right side rear sub frame bushings to clean and inspect them and noted there was no metal washer on the upper #3 bushing, only red dust.

 

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