Another Garnet Red Z28.. sorta....

[69Z28-RS]

A post on the TriFive forum read as below:

I have a true X33 code Berger '69 Z/28... not a clone. 17,xxx original miles. As straight & solid as you'll find... no rust ever. Fresh paint in the original garnet red less than 3 months ago. New seats and carpet... all other interior components are original & in excellent condition (17,xxx original miles). 468ci Big Block dyno'd at 661 hp, TH400 trans, and a Dana 60 rear end. Very nicely mini-tubbed with ladder bar / coil over rear suspension, tubular front control arms, etc, etc, etc. Looking to trade for a NICE 2-door '57 210 or Bel Air...



It appears to be a very solid CAMARO.... but regardless of the codes, labels, original paperwork, mileage etc..  It's NOT a Z28 any longer...  not with a 468 ci BB in it...  it's just another drag car!   his email is:  stegehuismr@comcast.net

Gary

[cam69aro]

so no rust ever, the rest of the interior is perfect but the car is repainted and has new seats?  just don`t make sense

[ZLP955]

so no rust ever, the rest of the interior is perfect but the car is repainted and has new seats?  just don`t make sense

I wouldn't read too much into that. Original paint was probably faded, worn thin and cracked as lacquer is prone to that - especially if the car lived or spent time out in the weather. Seats wear, tear/rip, seams come unstitched, foam loses support, springs break. Even on low mileage cars. Most of us here would repair and recover, but others take the path of convenience and just replace.

[jdv69z]

Long live garnet red!   

It's on the Tri-Five Chevy site??

[69Z28-RS]

It was posted on the TriFive.com site yesterday or the day before.  The owner apparently wants to trade for a '57 2-door...   I posted here all that the seller posted including his contact info if you are interested...

[Kelley W King]

Seeing how there are 40k plus 69 Z,s and count rising daily a garnet red X33 with 17k miles is becoming common place. I hear that it still has it,s born with interior light bulb, wow.

[BULLITT65]

BUT its a true X33 car!, "not a clone"

Who cares now? The days of that car representing a Z/28 are long gone.

I have seen clones that I would rather own

[69Z28-RS]

AGreed Austin!    Putting a big block in a Z28 is exactly the same as installing Z28 badges on a BB car, OR for that matter putting Z28 badges on a VW~   I think I've seen all these situations at times in the past... so WHY does a seller 'advertise' the Z28 emblems on a BB Camaro??

Hmmmm..  maybe putting 427 badges on my Z28 would help it's appeal?   

[RS Copo]

Do you guys feel better now? I realize it wasn't the cars owner that was the OP but my God is it any wonder so many people are just lurkers on car websites and don't want to post anything?

[X33RS]

Do you guys feel better now? I realize it wasn't the cars owner that was the OP but my God is it any wonder so many people are just lurkers on car websites and don't want to post anything?

I'm with you.  I was never one to dis someone's car.  I've noticed people can't seem to even appreciate it when a real Z is found with an untampered tag, regardless of engine.  I know there were a lot of 69 Z's made but you sure don't see many "real" ones these days.

[BULLITT65]

Do you guys feel better now? I realize it wasn't the cars owner that was the OP but my God is it any wonder so many people are just lurkers on car websites and don't want to post anything?

That why I come here, to feel good....

The seller of that car is trying to talk it up, and hit all the highlights. Can't blame him for that, but come on.

If the car was built as some BB 1/4 mile rocket, than talk that angle of it up. IMO the case for it being an original Z, I think just falls on deaf ears.

Apologize if I sounded to negative, but I was unimpressed with the description.
BUT:
(lurkers are going to lurk, posters are going to post, moderators are going to ...
have egos....hahahha)

[RS Copo]

No need to apologize,Bullitt.I might have come on a bit strong... I had a suspicion I knew this car,so I talked to one of my best friends who knows the car better than I do.From the contact email name given in his add,it matches the owners name of a 69 Z/28 he knows well.A friend of his family purchased the car in 70 or 71,and raced it,possibly in stock(along with my friends father,who ran a matching Z/28)He thinks Paul,the family friend,sold it to the present owner.It has never left the Grand Rapids area. For whatever reason,it was backhalved at some point. I could not open the pictures in the add but the last time time I saw the car,I think it had Crager SST's on it.
  I also respectfully disagree with the feeling that once an car is modified,it loses it's original identity.If true, there are  more than a few Z/28's,Copo's etc.,that were restored from race cars that are worthless,lol!   Take care.

[BULLITT65]

Totally agree, there are definitely some historic race cars that were raced heavy and put away wet. These cars really take a devoted fan, and deep pockets to bring back. I guess if the ad read race as is, or we have all the original components to restore, or date correct components to restore it may hold more weight to really underscore that it was an original Z.
If I saw it at a show I think I would be interested in its 1/4 mile race history, than its brief life as a Z/28 though.

[Z10Mike]

"Do you guys feel better now? I realize it wasn't the cars owner that was the OP but my God is it any wonder so many people are just lurkers on car websites and don't want to post anything?"
I could not agree more.
I happen to have an old war horse without its original 302 and 4 speed. It was a drag car that was thrashed heavily with a 427 and a THM400.  When I was a kid, a big block was a COMMON transplant into a Z28 to give it more fire power to match the looks on the street or strip.  I don't represent my car as numbers matching etc. and would never consider it.  It IS a legit Z28 by birth.  Do I enjoy it less because it doesn't have the 302 under the hood?  Not a bit.  And, I have no issues with folks who put in the work and have the luck to get their cars to the point where they are perfectly representing what was driven off the line at Norwood.  But disparaging fellow enthusiasts who do not have the same ability for whatever reason is not my modus operandi.  And that is the main reason I will never join a club dedicated to a particular model.  I ran into this same mentality with my Vette at an NCRS event and that soured me forever.
So to all the guys with cars that have the pedigree and not the components:  Ignore the criticism, enjoy your car and know there are plenty of other car guys out there that are doing the same thing...
Let the flaming begin.

[169INDY]

Let the flaming begin. ( Should read discussion ensues)

When cars are for sale on the open market & miss-represented  the equation changes

As William says Buyer Beware, it just depends on which side of the equation you are on,  that will greatly influence  an owners / sellers motivations.