68 RS With Z28 Motor - Was this a Dealer Install Option

[Top38]

Looked at a 68 RS a few days ago. The seller stated it had a Z28 302 motor installed by the dealer along with the headers in the trunk so he was selling it as a Z28. Was this ever offered to anyone's knowledge. I have heard of the headers in the trunk but not dealers swapping motors. The seller said he has a bunch of paper work but I didn't have time to go over it. Assuming it is a 68 RS with a dealer installed 302 motor, what would something like this be worth. Overall the car is in good shape but needs to be totally striped and painted correctly, paint peeling all over. I has the standard interior with the console & gauges along with a 6K factor tic toc tack,, clocks works too  LOL.

Thanks

[bertfam]

There were dealers that did engine swaps (Dana, Nickey, Baldwin, etc...), and the 1967/1968 302 engine was available as a service part (P/N 3923217), so it's possible. However, you'll need to go through the paperwork to see what he has.

BUT!!! This would have been an expensive way to get a Z28! It would have been much cheaper for the original owner to order the car from the factory than to go through all this hassle and expense of buying a non-Z28 then having the dealer order the engine and install it!

What's the VIN?

Ed

[KurtS]

A motor does not make the package.
Muncie, 12-bolt, discs, springs - all make up the Z package.
Until we see what the paperwork says, it's just an RS that someone swapped in a 302.

[Top38]

It has front disc brakes, 12 bolt rear, munice 4 speed. I don't have the VIN number at this time. I wasn't looking for a Z28 when I stopped. I was just looking for a solid 68 to restore. I did not have time to look at the paper work either. Assuming want the seller claims is true, would this car just be an RS with Z28 options? How would you put a value on it?

[bertfam]

Without more information, there's no way anyone can place a value on it. You would need to post pictures of the car and pictures of the documents before we could even start to venture a guess. Right now, 1968 Camaro Rally Sports go from a few thousand to the upper 30's to low 40's depending on condition, documentation, options, etc... 1968 Z28's are going for probably double that, but again, it depends on condition, documentation, options, and if it's numbers matching or not. If I were to throw out a number, I'd guess a non-numbers matching Rally Sport in fair to good condition would probably be worth around $10k to $20k.

Ed

[Top38]

Ed

Thanks, based on my thoughts assuming the paper work /story is true I was thinking around 20K would be a ballpark value also. If a dealer installed this motor would they also stamp the block to match the car too?

Condition of the car is:
- Interior needs a rug and head liner - black standard interior
- Body looks very solid, no bondo
- under carriage also looks very good
- Paint needs to be totally stripped and redone - many peeling areas
- Power Brakes, no power steering
- trunk looks good, upper shock mounts have no rust around them
- one hide away light cover not working
- Original AM radio
- Console gauges work except fuel level

[bertfam]

If a dealer installed this motor would they also stamp the block to match the car too?

most likely not. Dealers could care less about the "numbers" back then.

Ed

[Top38]

Here is the VIN, have paper work coming tomorrow
124378N383758

[bertfam]

Ok, the car was on ebay 10 years ago by seller martinautosalesllc our of Fredericksburg, VA. It was listed as a Z28 with a factory warranty replacement engine (see below). The only "proof" at that time was the glove box sticker that showed the E70-15 tires, but of course this could have been changed at any time so that's not really proof.. It had a Muncie transmission, 12 bolt posi rear axle, 4 piston disc brakes and a 6k tachometer (which appears to be a reproduction), but there wasn't any documentation mentioned.

There weren't any date codes shown in the auction so who knows. And by the way, back in 2008 the car didn't have the Rally Sport option (again, see below), so if it has it now, it's been added.

I'd be interested to see what paperwork you get and also the date and suffix codes on the transmission and 12 bolt.

Ed

[Top38]

Well that certainly looks like the car except the RS hide a way lights on it now. It also has the 69 cowl hood as shown in your picture too! Paint is junk now though, bad metal prep so it's peeling in many areas. It has the factor console with gauges and a 6K tic toc tack. Add states  CE 302 motor, M22 trans, definitely a 12 bolt rear, and 4 piston cal's.

How did you find out it was on EBay?

Thanks

[bertfam]

How did you find out it was on EBay?

The CRG has been tracking these cars for 20 years (even longer for some), so we have histories on a lot of these cars. COMPLETE histories for some, and partial history for others.

Ed

[HOT3O2]

You guys amaze me with the information you have stored away.

[Top38]

Quick question, did all 67 and 68 Camaros with front disc brakes have 4 piston calipers? and didn't the single piston deal come out in 69?

[69Z28-RS]

Quick question, did all 67 and 68 Camaros with front disc brakes have 4 piston calipers? and didn't the single piston deal come out in 69?

Yes, and Yes.

[bertfam]

Quick question, did all 67 and 68 Camaros with front disc brakes have 4 piston calipers? and didn't the single piston deal come out in 69?

Correct on all counts. However, in 1969 the 4 wheel disc brake option (RPO JL8) also used 4 piston calipers.

Ed