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marriest

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Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« on: July 18, 2018, 10:18:39 AM »
I finally got time to take pics of block, trans, and rear end numbers do they look OK?
Engine Block T0505JB on Pad, Vin #on Casting by oil filter (pic)
Transmission P9D25A,  9N641885 (pic)
Axle BT0501G2, E by itself (pic)
Vehicle vin #12467N641885
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 10:19:51 AM »
More pics
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 10:28:32 AM »
Pic 1
Try again
What does the 1 mean in front of the VIN?
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2018, 12:05:39 PM »
1 is for Chevrolet. But there should be a 9 after the 1
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2018, 12:09:30 PM »
Try to post clear pics - a bit larger- up to about 200 kB max size.

Information on posting pics here at this link.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.0
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2018, 12:17:17 PM »
The VIN derivative stamp on the side of the block has to be identical to the transmission VIN derivative stamp as they were both done at the same time with the same tool setup. 
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2018, 02:13:47 PM »
Not necessarily...
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2018, 07:33:31 AM »
Axle is clearly a restamp.
Do you have a pic of the engine pad and trim tag?
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2018, 11:29:40 AM »
cowl (pic)
engine Pad (pic)
Trim Tag (pic)
How can you till Axle is re-stamp??
Vin#12467N641885
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2018, 12:34:04 PM »
Quote from: bcmiller on July 18, 2018, 02:13:47 PM
Not necessarily...

This VIN derivative block stamp does not look to be normative practice.  If it is "possible" that it could happen some other way, then please enlighten me.

That block date suffix stamp is obviously not original.
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2018, 02:38:54 PM »
There are some obvious issues with the stampings on this car.

But I will stick with what I said earlier. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2018, 04:19:37 PM »
For us less informed, can you show what a correct number looks like or state why it is wrong?
I would love to learn what to look for when it comes to the correct numbers and locations
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2018, 05:06:48 PM »
The block assembly date/suffix stamp surface has been altered to appear that it has broach marks.  Looks to me like a fresh stamping from the photo.  Just go find an old engine that is not collectable to see what they are supposed to look like.  Nobody ever re stamps a non-collectable engine.

The Engine and Transmission VIN derivative stamps were both done at the same time with the same tool as the 2 pieces were being prepared for installation on the factory assembly line.  If the two stamps do not match each other, it is unlikely they were stamped together in the usual way.  Add to that the missing digits, and it looks even more likely that one or both are not original. 

Folks around here are shy about giving too many details away but these are pretty obvious.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2018, 05:20:46 PM »
Quote from: Stingr69 on July 19, 2018, 05:06:48 PM
The Engine and Transmission VIN derivative stamps were both done at the same time with the same tool as the 2 pieces were being prepared for installation on the factory assembly line

That’s not always true. Your blanket statement is not 100% correct.
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Re: Comments on 69 numbers - any other locations
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2018, 05:21:54 PM »
Quote from: marriest on July 19, 2018, 04:19:37 PM
For us less informed, can you show what a correct number looks like or state why it is wrong?
I would love to learn what to look for when it comes to the correct numbers and locations
Thanks for your comments
Terry

Did you buy this car advertised as an all original car and pay a premium price?
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