1969 Camaro - Can it have factory console gauges w/out center dash clock? tach?

[sdkar]

Just wondering.  I know it seems so basic of a question, and I think maybe I knew the answer at one time, but I just don't know.  What are the rules on console gauges and center clock and tach?

[ZLP955]

U17 included the center clock, which was also available as a standalone as U35.

[ko-lek-tor]

A.) No Clock-no, No tach-no

[sdkar]

So, just to make sure I understand this correctly, if I see a Camaro with console gauges and it doesn't have a clock as well, does that mean that the gauges were added later and the Camaro did not come with gauges from the factory? 

I know that Pace cars did not necessarily have console gauges from the factory, but if they did, shouldn't they have the clock too?  And, as mentioned above, you could order a clock without the console gauges, but could you do the other way around and get the console gauges and not the clock.  I always believed that if you checked the box for optional console gauges, the clock was included in that.  I also believe that you could order the tach as well and not the console gauges, and that the fuel gauge would go in the center where the clock would go. 

Here are some 69 Camaro Indy Pace cars that have console gauges but no clock and I am wondering if the gauges are factory or not.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-Pace-Car-Convertible/183314517968?hash=item2aae658fd0:g:SXMAAOSw4apbQhHc&vxp=mtr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-Pace-Car/112865216122?hash=item1a474a867a:g:WKQAAOSw4PRaqB~b&vxp=mtr

Thanks,

Steve

[ko-lek-tor]

So, just to make sure I understand this correctly, if I see a Camaro with console gauges and it doesn't have a clock as well, does that mean that the gauges were added later and the Camaro did not come with gauges from the factory? 

I know that Pace cars did not necessarily have console gauges from the factory, but if they did, shouldn't they have the clock too?  And, as mentioned above, you could order a clock without the console gauges, but could you do the other way around and get the console gauges and not the clock.  I always believed that if you checked the box for optional console gauges, the clock was included in that.  I also believe that you could order the tach as well and not the console gauges, and that the fuel gauge would go in the center where the clock would go. 

Here are some 69 Camaro Indy Pace cars that have console gauges but no clock and I am wondering if the gauges are factory or not.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-Pace-Car-Convertible/183314517968?hash=item2aae658fd0:g:SXMAAOSw4apbQhHc&vxp=mtr

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-Pace-Car/112865216122?hash=item1a474a867a:g:WKQAAOSw4PRaqB~b&vxp=mtr

Thanks,

Steve

Good hearing from you Steve.
My answers were short and sweet so that there was no ambiguity. Let’s break down your reply by paragraph. 1st paragraph- gauges and no clock, yes, gauges were added and not factory. Period. No exceptions.
2nd paragraph- Pace Car, no exception. If it was ordered with OPTIONAL gauges (U17), it had a clock. You could have ordered a clock and a console separate, and if you did, you would not have gauges. I have a car like that.
3rd paragraph. Cars are wrong and have added gauges

[BillG]

The first Pace car you  show has the clock, so they may be original but the steering wheel is not original.

[KurtS]

Or they got a new cluster and didn't cut it for the clock......