Heater hoses

[BULLITT65]

Larry I see what you are talking about with the Hot rod pic. That must be pretty early, no 302 sticker.

Also interesting is the digilite option, and was fitted with Bill Thomas headers with a provision for the smog tubes. Wish they would have had those from the factory. I wonder how much of a prototype that car was?

[BULLITT65]

Many of my vintage pics i see the bracket if the car did not have A.I.R.
If it did have smog, no bracket. Seems like the way the smog hose was routed it went between the heater hoses where that bracket would have sat.
Unfortunately I do not have a build date for each pic.

[Kelley W King]

I think Austin is right. A.I.R. no bracket.

[BULLITT65]

Lastly here is a pic of my 08C car unrestored, but the heater hoses were replaced at one point:

[cook_dw]

Nova pic is not really a fair comparison.

[Hans L]

A quick scan of "The Definitive 1969 Camaro Z/28-SS396 Fact Book" published by Jerry MacNeish shows the following:

Page 11:    302 Engine.  No clip
Page 13:    302 Engine.  Both photos show clips (probably the same engine)
Page 17:    "A Clamp mounted on this bracket on early production Z/28s to contain the heater hoses.  Later production cars use a Ty-rap tin place of the clip"
Page 91:     350 Engine.  Clip
Page 91:     302 Engine.  Clip
Page 120:   302 Engine.  In conclusive.  Nov '68 built
Page 125:   396-375:  Clip
Page 125:    427:  Clip
Page 131:    396:  Clip
Page 159:    ?  Clip
Page 163:    427:  Clip
Page 181:    Clip

And a quick scan of John Hooper's book, "The 1969 Camaro Reference Book", it shows 307s, 350 Pace Car, 396 Pace Car, 302's, ZL1's, 396/L89, 427's, Original Yenko Engine compartment, all with the clip...

Net-net - appears at some point there was a change in production from Clip to Ty-rap, Per Jerry's book, but when?  My Van Nuy's April built car has the clip and had the original factory installed heater hoses, so while things can happen, would seem weird someone along the way decided to add that factory clip....so the change probably happened after April. 

[X33RS]

So far it seems we have examples of factory installed heater hose clamps up through April production?  Is that what I'm reading?

I have a few vintage pics of Z's and 350's that have A.I.R. with the heater hose clamp, so I'll assume these all must be pre April 69 production.

[BULLITT65]

I would tend to agree with you Larry. It would be nice to find more originals to compare with though.
Hans I think it is tough to reference Jerry's book, since we don't know if those pics are restored cars or not. (So the clip could have been added, or was an early car and many of the cars got them?)
Good pick up on the pic DW, I think it is a nova. here is another :
(this one is a 05A car)

[RRMs69Z]

Thanks guys, great stuff. I am getting ready for the AACA event at Gettysburg, and I am trying to get my car ready.

[BULLITT65]

I would be curious how AACA would judge this since (our) Jury is still out. I am guessing they are going to say all V8 cars should have the clip, since some examples have been shown to have had it. Or maybe they overlook it all together...

[X33RS]

Larry I see what you are talking about with the Hot rod pic. That must be pretty early, no 302 sticker.

Also interesting is the digilite option, and was fitted with Bill Thomas headers with a provision for the smog tubes. Wish they would have had those from the factory. I wonder how much of a prototype that car was?

That's an early car from Van Nuys, but don't know how early.  I'm pretty sure it's before Dec 68 though.  It's a Hugger Orange White Stripe Z with black deluxe interior, spoilers, and VE3 bumper.  John Dianna drove that car and was a test bed for Hot Rod.   They installed the headers and other misc. stuff after the fact.   But yeah you can clearly see the heater hose clamp on that one.  I have a pic of another early one (Nov I think) from Norwood that also has the clamp.

[X33RS]

Here's an April built survivor with the clamp from our local cruise.   But again so far April seems to be the cutoff.


Aaa, file too big.

[69Z28-RS]

the AACA judges so many different automobiles, they do not have several experts on one car type to judge in such great detail.  A better place to do/judge Camaro detail is at the Camaro Nationals (which occurs next weekend), or via Steve Shauger's original judging...   

I'm thinking of taking my wife on an anniversary trip (#48) to the Fredrick, MD area next weekend...    It will be a surprise for her... 

[BULLITT65]

Gary your all heart.... 
Congrats on # 48, July 4th will be #15 for my wife and I. 

Regarding judging where they do know one car specifically: For something as small as that bracket, do they have enough data points and original cars to draw from, to go back and look at that in their data, or is Steve going to know a detail like that and when it may have switched?

I Know Steve and James (redneck quote) or other guys who see unrestored cars are busy guys, but they often chime in if they have some pertinent info to share on a topic, and not sure if this (small) detail has been looked into prior.

[69Z28-RS]

Austin:

1)  Yes, i am.... 

2)  No one has sufficient data on that one tiny issue, not even we fellas who spend ALL our time on first gen Camaros!  (and many other such small details that are not known/documented.

3)  Suggestion:  Go to the Camaro Nationals (or Steve's judging event) and SEE the detail that is gone into, and compare that to the judging on any car model that is judged at an AACA event.  Better yet, attend these events and sign up as a JUDGE!  I think my point will be VERY clear once you've done that.