68 z/28 question of authenticity

[67jeffreyt]

A dealer is selling a 68 z/28 as authentic with a repaint and counter exchange 302.  He claims a Jerry Macneish is an official authenticator.  There is no build sheet, car has m22 4speed, rallysport option, tach and gauges with console.  Vin is 124378N383758.  Any input is appreciated. Dealer wants 45,000 car is in New Hampshire.

[67jeffreyt]

https://m.facebook.com/groups/610473909035462?view=permalink&id=1679010218848487

[67jeffreyt]

It's a Facebook link,

[bcmiller]

Not everybody has Facebook and for even those that do, that’s not the best way to post a link.

Try this

http://motionperformancellc.com/1968-chevy-camaro-z28

[KurtS]

That's a lot for a car that needs paint and is NOM.
Where are Jerry's appraisal sheets? Should be 2-3 sheets.

[bcmiller]

Jerry is a widely accepted and respected authenticator/appraiser.  But without you seeing his complete report on the car - from the current owner, it’s just the owners word.

[x66 714]

Exchange engine wouldn't be a "MO". It would be a "CE"...Joe

[bcmiller]

I asked the dealer about a few things on the FB page.

[ZLP955]

Try this
http://motionperformancellc.com/1968-chevy-camaro-z28

Saw the dealer's statement that the car was soda blasted and prepped incorrectly, now needs paint again. Likely that the paint job failed from the soda film not being neutralised.

[rick 67]

 Rally Sport with no back up lights ?  Squared corners for the Vin plate access. I would guess major work has been done, just not very well. Oh I would run away very fast !

[67jeffreyt]

What does a counter exchange engine mean? Warranty replacement under factory warranty?  Sorry about my link, I don't do a lot of sharing on this site.  Basically this car is an undocumented overpriced clone? Without authentication.

[bcmiller]

If the block is stamped CE and then a series of numbers it means it’s not the original engine.  CE stands for Chevrolet Engine and yes “back in the day” if an engine failed under warranty, that is what usually was put in. But it could have been put in years later, or yesterday.  Without proof with paperwork that particular CE engine block was put in under warranty, just consider it a period correct “not original to the car” block.

See this link. 
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml#service

It is very hard to do a complete and accurate assessment of a car from just pics. An on-site inspection is always needed if you want to buy a car.

By the way, CE stamped engines are around. I have several - big block and small block. None are for sale.

[bcmiller]

Seller says axle and transmission are original to the car. But no pics. So we will see.

It does have some issues. Soda blasting works but yes you have to prep correctly before paint. Dad and I had a 64 Impala SS 327 convertible soda blasted in about 1987 then painted with red lacquer. Paint on it is still very good to this day.

$45k seems high, nice paint will cost $5000 to 8000 minimum - unless you have connections or can do it yourself.

[bertfam]

The car was on ebay back in 2008, but at that time no mention of Jerry's certification. Here's a picture of the pad (see below), and the ebay description.

1968 Camaro Z28 ~ 4 Speed
This is a very rare 1968 Z28 Camaro. There were only 7199 Z28’s produced in 1968. As you know, there are no real identification codes to prove that a 1968 Camaro is what it is. Those who do their research will see that all the tell tale signs show this 1968 Camaro to be a Real Z28.
It is equipped with:
CE Replacement Engine
4 Speed Muncie Transmission
12 Bolt-Posi w/Multi-Leaf
Very Rare Original 4 Piston Front Disc Brake Calipers
Very Rare Original 6K Red Line Tach
Bucket Seats w/Center Console
Cowl Hood
Front and Rear Spoilers
Factory AM Radio ~ working
Original Tire Pressure Sticker on Glove Box Door
that states E70x15 which is Z28 Only
This Camaro has a very solid body that seems to retain all of its original panels. There however is a small patch in the trunk pan, but the trunk is still very solid as it shows in the pictures. The interior seems to be mostly original and in great shape. It runs and drives great and sounds awesome with the relatively newer dual Flowmaster exhaust system. I would consider the paint on this Z28 a very nice driver quality paint job with just a few scratches and chips. This car is impressively solid and straight. There are new BFGs on all four corners. This ‘68 Z28 would make anyone proud to pull into the local cruises and shows.
Overall this is a great buy on a rare 1968 Z28. You also would be in an investment muscle car that you didn’t have to break the bank to buy.

Tach looks new, not sure about the tire pressure sticker. Not worth anywhere near the asking price in my opinion (typical dealer markup), but I would contact Jerry and see what he says if you're serious about the car.

Ed

[bcmiller]

Uh - I looked at more pics. I am too low on my estimate for the cost of a repaint in this car...