X66 standard trim

[z28z11]

I would like to resurrect a discussion we had about 5 years ago concerning quarter panel molding usage on X66 SS cars compared to X22's. Is there (documentation) of an option listing that verifies the mandatory installation of quarter moldings ? I remember the statement about all SS's had them, but I've seen several examples over the years of cars equipped like mine - vinyl top, not Style Trim, no quarter moldings. Could my 12A build SS be something other than an X66, or maybe just one of those line errors that appear from time to time ?

The pic of the Yenko storage lot that circulated years ago shows a car (which I would guess could be an X44) with a vinyl top and no quarter moldings, no Style Trim either. I seen a good number of Yenkos without them. If someone has that pic on file, please post it again if you don't mind.

Regards,
Steve

[ZLP955]

The pic of the Yenko storage lot that circulated years ago shows a car (which I would guess could be an X44) with a vinyl top and no quarter moldings, no Style Trim either. I seen a good number of Yenkos without them. If someone has that pic on file, please post it again if you don't mind.

This one Steve?

[Kelley W King]

I don,t SS had anything to do with the quarter trim. It was part of the style trim package. Since your car is a 12A "welcome to the club" you probably do not have an X code on the tag. But check this site for options because there are several indicators of the style trim. All can be added but usually some are overlooked.

[william]

Quarter panel trim was included with SS equipment.

[x66 714]

My X66 car has had them since day 1. I read what William read in the feature guide. It shows simulated rear quarter louvers on SS, Style Trim Group & Rally Sport.....Joe

[z28z11]

The pic of the Yenko storage lot that circulated years ago shows a car (which I would guess could be an X44) with a vinyl top and no quarter moldings, no Style Trim either. I seen a good number of Yenkos without them. If someone has that pic on file, please post it again if you don't mind.

This one Steve?

Exactly. I've located several more examples online of Yenkos just like this, no style trim, both with and without vinyl roofs. Memory serves that COPO's were X44's, did Yenko use (early) some X22/66's or primarily 44's ? More than a little fuzzy - 

[z28z11]

   I don't disbelieve what William and Joe both say - I think you are likely correct. My worst fear is that I've got an anomaly car. Without documentation other than the original block, paint treatment and normal BB/SS attributes, I can't explain why the moldings aren't there. There is no evidence of patch panels, collision repair panels, or drilled and filled holes in the gill area, plus it's (unfortunately) not a 427 car, plus it's in the "dead" zone for the NCRS dealer report, so I'm stumped.  The car spent a lot of it's former life on the drag strip, understandable from the L78/BV rear gear, tunnel cut for an inline shifter, front frame horns dinged from tow bar or hooks. Infernal 12A car, rear bulkhead monkeyed with and painted over (looks like someone had the idea of putting a fold down in it).

Any ideas ? I welcome any reasonable theories, or should I not worry about it and add the moldings when I get to that point ? (I do like the look of plain, matches my X77).

Steve

[jdv69z]

Have you removed the interior panel by the quarter windows and checked the quarter from the inside for original holes that may have been filled? I know you stated there was no evidence of any. Is that looking from the outside? Just an idea.

[william]

Not true. There were plenty of X11 COPOs; both ZL1-RS for example.

There is a yellow/black vinyl VE3 Yenko here in town; very high likelihood it is the car in the photo. Built with D55, M40, N40, Z21, Z23. X11 tag. At least one other X11 Yenko known to exist.

[ZLP955]

JohnZ's former Z/28 had the quarter gill trim removed by the original owner, as a personal preference IIRC. The holes were brazed up and painted over early in the car's life.

[WorkinProgress]

Just like jdv69z said about looking on the inside of quarter panels for filled holes. What I would do is remove the black plastic vent in the door jam and look in.

                                       - Warren

[z28z11]

Just like jdv69z said about looking on the inside of quarter panels for filled holes. What I would do is remove the black plastic vent in the door jam and look in.

                                       - Warren

Precisely how I determined the moldings were never mounted. View of both quarters from inside shows no evidence of filler, brazing, or piercing of any kind. My X77 looks the same way (of course). The quarters themselves appear original, I'll check the date stamps on them this weekend to make sure they are original.

Not true. There were plenty of X11 COPOs; both ZL1-RS for example.

There is a yellow/black vinyl VE3 Yenko here in town; very high likelihood it is the car in the photo. Built with D55, M40, N40, Z21, Z23. X11 tag. At least one other X11 Yenko known to exist.

I didn't mean to imply all COPO's were X44's, but I think I remember at least some were. In the final analysis of manufacturing, it's still a guess as to what happens to cause things like this to show up. Even "foreign object damage" as it is known in the aircraft business - things sometimes get left in wing panels and fuselage assemblies that you really don't want to fly with (like ham sandwiches, grinders and hand tools pulled out of B1 bomber wings during final inspections - true story). 

Regards,
Steve

[z28z11]

From our Archives Numbers Decoding:


1969 Norwood Camaro         Fisher Code Interpretation
  with Z21 Style Trim             without Z21 Style Trim
  (or Z22 Rally Sport)             (or Z22 Rally Sport)
 -----------------------              ----------------------
 X11* non-SS396, non-Z28,    X44* non-SS, non-Z28
      includes SS350                 X55  SS350
 X22  SS396                           X66  SS396
 X33  Z28                               X77  Z28

 * COPO Camaros were an exception, as most COPOs
   were built out of bodies coded with X11 or X44.
   Some early COPOs had X22 or X66-coded bodies.
   
 Additional 1969 Norwood Fisher codes that were
 used instead of the X-codes include:
   Z10 - Indy Pace Car replica coupe
   Z11 - Indy Pace Car replica convertible

 Additional 1969 Norwood Fisher codes that could be
 combined with the X-codes include:
   D80 - signifies the car was equipped with D80
         spoilers, but the code was not always used.
    A  - signifies the car was equipped with power
         windows, but the code was not always used.

It's the line about X66 bodies being used that has my interest - maybe the blue car in the pic is one ?

I know - likelihood is slim, but it's always good to imagine. Now, if the JH code 396 sitting in the garage was only an iron 427 block, I'd get really excited (but it's not !).

Regards,
Steve

[WorkinProgress]

Steve,

Not following you on the inline shifter. That to me refers to a tunnel that has been cut on the side.

Has your original trunk weatherstrip has been replaced? If not, there should be signs of the black paint underneath the strip if it originally was a 396 SS.

Does the rear end date code line up with the build date?

Pretty easy to tell if quarters have been replaced, rarely does anyone put back all those spot welds. If your car has no trim it should be easy to tell around the wheel openings.

How about posting some pictures?

                                                             - Warren

[z28z11]

Warren,

I think I answered everything in the post from 2/1. The original block is all I needed to verify whether it is/was an SS, if that's what you're driving at, although everything else points to it anyway (dates, date ranges, cove paint, non-Style Trim BB car).

I should have said vertical gate rather than inline - like a 70's vintage Hurst vertical gate if you've ever seen one. They were cool except for the fact you had to chain saw the tunnel to install them.

In the long run, the most likely of answers to the molding question is that it's not readily explainable. If I leave it off on restoration,
I'll probably get the question of "why is it not installed - all SS's had them !", or "that's wrong", or worse.

Regards,
Steve