I'm pretty sure this is illegal.

[abiddle]

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6053000275.html

Need vin and title for 1969 Camaro - $1 (Lobelville) 

[69Z28-RS]

It's illegal to remove another manufacturer's VIN plate (GM's in this case) and apply it to another vehicle (in this case, a homebuilt camaro look-alike)...

I sent them a message:
"You have a 'homebuilt' car; apply to your state for a state issued VIN, OR make up your own VIN and stamp it on all the parts and use that number to register it.
Note:  IT IS ILLEGAL to remove another manufacturer's VIN plate from a car they built and apply it to a different vehicle!!!"

Maybe if we all send them a similar message, they MIGHT get the hint, at least they won't be able to plead ignorance of the law.

[L78 steve]

They wont care.

[bertfam]

The only thing you can do is click on the "Prohibited" icon. If enough people do it, the ad will come down.

Ed

[1968RSZ28]

The only thing you can do is click on the "Prohibited" icon. If enough people do it, the ad will come down.

Ed

Done!

Paul

[BULLITT65]

I thought replacing a body with a dynacorn body was legal?
This guy just decided to start with the replacement body and work backwards towards the VIN.

Lets say somebody calls him and says, "hey I have a rusted out 69 shell, you can have it and the vin/trim tag, and title for $500"

What is the difference, between that and the green 69Z, that sold and had a re-body, (other than they started with a Vin on the green car)?

[jdv69z]

The whole thing is kind of fuzzy, isn't it.

[KurtS]

In the hobby, most don't think it's acceptable.
But it is commonly done to repair vehicles, especially those with frames. Jeeps rust out and people replace with a new tub - it is a repair part.

[1968RSZ28]

3-21-17: "This posting has been deleted by its author."

Paul

[69Z28-RS]

In the hobby, most don't think it's acceptable.
But it is commonly done to repair vehicles, especially those with frames. Jeeps rust out and people replace with a new tub - it is a repair part.

There's only ONE reason to move a VIN from a GM produced body to a 'Dynacorn' body, and that is to Defraud a potential buyer.  There's nothing illegal about procuring a complete body, frame, etc and building your own car (but it's NOT a GM produced car).   Each state has a procedure for obtaining a vehicle id number for your car, but moving a GM VIN plate from one car to another is definitely illegal, even if you can 'get by with it'...  it's still illegal and there's only ONE reason to do it..  to FOOL (meaning to Defraud) a buyer or observer of the car.

[KurtS]

I would not agree with that statement. Some states would consider the new body as a replacement part.
Not saying it's right or wrong, but I talked with an inspector the other day about this and he said as long as you have a receipt for the body....

[69Z28-RS]

GM stamped the BODY of the car with the VIN, not the frame (subframe car).. What do you think GM would think of transferring one of their VIN plates to a japanese made body??

Noted that it's can be a small 'jump' from replacing all the metal attached to the original firewall (which would be a *repair*) to replacing an entire body, but replacing an entire body (NOT a GM body) sends the argument over the cliff IMO...

In MOST states, if you have a body damaged to the extent that it's *totaled* (normally due to collision, but what's the difference whether rusted or crunched?).. the states require that the VIN plate be removed, and once the car is repaired to their satisfaction, a 'state issued' VIN plate is provided by the state.  This is a requirement on state licensed businesses... insurance companies, collision shops, etc), although obviously if you owned the 'damaged' car and buy a replacement body... then you could pretty easily circumvent the law...  but Regardless, IMO..  it's an attempt to defraud given that one does have the replacement VIN option...

[69Z28-RS]

I would not agree with that statement. Some states would consider the new body as a replacement part.
Not saying it's right or wrong, but I talked with an inspector the other day about this and he said as long as you have a receipt for the body....

You are saying that an employee of a STATE told you it was OK if you transferred the VIN from one car body to another?   What state?  and what state agency told you this?

[BULLITT65]

Have to agree

In the hobby, most don't think it's acceptable.
But it is commonly done to repair vehicles, especially those with frames. Jeeps rust out and people replace with a new tub - it is a repair part.

There's only ONE reason to move a VIN from a GM produced body to a 'Dynacorn' body, and that is to Defraud a potential buyer.  There's nothing illegal about procuring a complete body, frame, etc and building your own car (but it's NOT a GM produced car).   Each state has a procedure for obtaining a vehicle id number for your car, but moving a GM VIN plate from one car to another is definitely illegal, even if you can 'get by with it'...  it's still illegal and there's only ONE reason to do it..  to FOOL (meaning to Defraud) a buyer or observer of the car.

I would say for the collector, it depends on what the normal practice is with the particular body/car in question. I am aware in the Jeep world that this is done on a regular basis. The vehicles were used hard and then put away wet, (with mud,sand,dirt in every orifice to hold water).

It is not frowned upon, and I have seen where it is a selling point having replaced "the tub" already. Also 32 fords. For years and years and years guys have replaced original ford steel with fiberglass bodies, and they are still titled as a 32 ford. Even easier with the new metal ford 32 bodies. Not frowned upon, but some guys want original here ford steel, other guys its not a big deal.

[Sauron327]

A Dynacorn body is Licensed by GM so it is a replacement body part. I've worked in the collision industry and transferring a VIN to a new cab was not unusual and perfectly legal. Procedures vary by state so one must follow them.