Hardware Identification & Reference 1967 - 1969

[Bryan302]

In talking with several CRG members, it has been discussed that it would be very useful and informative to have a general location to have a Identification and Reference library for 1967, 1968, 1969 hardware.  It was also discussed that this thread could be the building and storing location for enough useful information to make a section or library to use on the CRG main page, or at least a section for Hardware reference.

Not everybody had the fore thought to bag and tag their hardware, or thought there was no need, that you would remember where that particular screw or bolt went, Ha!.  It was also the possibility that something or someone would disturb your stash of preserved hardware.

Last but not least, we all know the AIM only gives a general idea of the description and is very uninformative, and also gives a GM part number. 

Basically, the general idea for this reference is to IDENTIFY the EXACT HARDWARE that goes in a PARTICULAR LOCATION, with a PHOTO (using two pieces of the same type hardware, one for side view, one for top view showing maker mark) , DIMENSIONS (using ruler in photo), and DESCRIPTION.

It is only a suggestion, but think it would be a good idea to do this in sections, Front cap hardware first, then maybe subframe,  etc.

Year:
Item:
Photo: ONE photo w/ two views and measurement
AIM page number and UPC number:
GM part number:        Available Yes / NO
AMK part number:      Available  Yes / No
Description:  Recessed Hex Head or Plain Hex Head, etc.
                     Captured floating washer or Solid washer, etc.
                     Pointed end or flat end, etc.
Hardware finish:

This is only several members idea and NEED, so we hope everyone else can make use and enjoy this also.

Thanks,
Bryan

[cook_dw]

This will definitely be beneficial.  Hopefully people will chime in on this.  Also I forgot to mention this previously but you might want to include AMK's website and you can use the AIM and search the PDF file of their catalog and find a pic and specs on some of the items.

http://www.amkproducts.com/Catalog_PDF.htm

[69Z28-RS]

I *believe* it was on this site several years ago that one of the regulars at the time attempted this.  We were working on large tables with all dimensions and even photographs attached to the entries as links.

As I recall the effort pretty quickly got out of hand and the 'primary driver' gave up, and I think he even left the site...??

you could probably search the site and find the thread(s) re that effort, and possibly learn some 'good things' and bad things that were tried at the time?   It might give you a little bit of a head start on the effort..?

[m22mike]

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9074.0;all

Old thread that is mostly worthless now because guys have taken down there photos  :>(

[Bryan302]

Mike, Thanks very much for linking to the other hardware pages.  This will be very useful.

Gary, This system We have in mind WILL NOT require a driver as you mentioned.  It will also not require an outside photo holding source.  Each interested individual that post will be the driver.

What we would like to see happen is the start of a CATALOGING system that would describe the bolt or hardware and tell exactly it's location on the car.  The AIM does not do this.  You only have a GM part number and a drawing of a screw.

If a photo is taken in two views as I described above and a description is written of the screw and a location, we could end up with a catalog telling where every screw and bolt went on the whole car.  Those photo's taken in the car showing the bolt head, doesn't do any good if you need to know where that bolt went and what length it was and if it was a captured washer or not, etc.

I know the head markings are a totally different ball game, this can be touched on due to the many brands that are supplied, but is not the main task here.  I think it would be good to include the markings that could be involved with the particular piece of hardware.

Bryan

[69Z28-RS]

I think it is necessary to reference each fastener against the GM PN that is referenced in the AIM for it all to make sense. 

1) If the same PN is referenced for several different Uses/Purposes, then it makes no difference where it was found..  it only provides another example of a part against that PN. 

2) There are many fewer PN's referenced than 'locations where they are used', so it makes the bookkeeping aspects more simple...

Eventually you would generate multiple *examples* against each PN (rather than against each use), and it would become much easier to determine which examples 'match' the specs for the PN, rather than arguing about whether a particular example is 'correct' or not.

As JohnZ has stated previously, each PN was purchased from at least 3 different suppliers (for each plant), and a supplier could also have changed/modified their 'markings' during a year.

[Bryan302]

Gary, Ding Dang-it, I think I plainly stated that it was a good idea to reference the GM part number and the page and UPC from the AIM.

If there are four bolts that hold the two braces from core support to fender, then note there are four bolts for these locations.  The same will be for inner fender, etc.

As I said, the main purpose is to identify the proper TYPE bolt, it's appearance, finish and design!!  How many there are, can be noted along with the casual mention of the possible head markings that might be found there.

I do believe that the mention of the many suppliers of each bolt has been beat to death.  The description of the hardware and location has not.

Bryan

The fact that the AIM is so uninformative of the description and appearance of the hardware is the reason for the need of a good reference.

[69Z28-RS]

Bryan...

You're upset that I AGREE with you???   I'm sorry that you can't take someone 'reinforcing' what you said...   

Take a chill pill man!

[68camaroz28]

I have a lot of hardware info in my build thread and also placed here that may be some benefit:
http://www.camaros.net/forums/34-restoration-corner/321378-original-hardware-see-post-2-5-a.html