Caveat Emptor...another repro window sticker

[X33RS]

Would the plastic dash be different for one with a clock verses one without a clock? In other words were there two different dashes depending if you had a clock or not?

Other than the block off in the center there is no difference.  The mounts are still there for the clock if you knock out the center plastic piece.   So why people don't add it with the gauge package is hard to understand.  They either aren't aware of how it should be, or they don't want to spend another $200 on their expensive restoration to at least make it appear correct.

[X33RS]

. For example the COPO 140 mph speedo was n/a with U17 Special Instrumentation.

William,
I saw a COPO with the U17 setup and the 140 speedo not long ago.  The owner was calling it one of those "double COPO's"   which I believe included the 140 speedo, 15" wheels etc...

So in this instance would the U17 console not be possible to order??

[william]

Would the plastic dash be different for one with a clock verses one without a clock? In other words were there two different dashes depending if you had a clock or not?

There were two housings used in production: standard and with tachometer.

[william]

. For example the COPO 140 mph speedo was n/a with U17 Special Instrumentation.

William,
I saw a COPO with the U17 setup and the 140 speedo not long ago.  The owner was calling it one of those "double COPO's"   which I believe included the 140 speedo, 15" wheels etc...

So in this instance would the U17 console not be possible to order??

The ECL listing for COPO 9737 does not include a clock. 4 of the 12 ECLs were for COPO 9560 [ZL1]; no clock or center fuel gauge. 8 were for COPO 9561 [L72]; all of them list the fuel gauge. At least 2 ZL1s were built with COPO 9737 [#3 & #65] neither has a tach. 

BTW COPO 9737 required either COPO 9560 or 9561.

You may have seen COPO N667781 which I believe has #9737 and U17. My information is that U17 was added by a previous owner.

A repro 140 speedo has been available for many years. Tough to know what is real these days.

[69Z28-RS]

Can someone explain what 'ECL' is (ie.  what words go with those letters).  I'm familiar with ECO, ECP, ECN, etc..  but was never exposed to ECL in my work.   I'm wondering if it stands for Engineering Change Listing?  which simply lists multiple prior ECO/ECN's together as a single entry on a sales order??

[Z28Project]

Exception Control Letter    Not that I'm the expert.  I read that in Macneish's book.

[69Z28-RS]

Makes sense, Steve...      Thanks.

[KurtS]

Would the plastic dash be different for one with a clock verses one without a clock? In other words were there two different dashes depending if you had a clock or not?

The hole was stamped out for the clock/center fuel gage and a brace was added to the dash.

[JohnZ]

Would the plastic dash be different for one with a clock verses one without a clock? In other words were there two different dashes depending if you had a clock or not?

The hole for the clock or the tach was die-pierced in a hydrauiic fixture in the assembly plant, on the dash cluster subassembly line.

[ko-lek-tor]

Here is yet another car with U17 and the rare clock delete option. I believe the assembly plants must have run out of clocks at various times during production............... You think?? NOT!!

I see that little hiccup A LOT in these "restored" cars,  but I saw a 69 the other day that appeared to be largely unmolested, and it had a setup I don't remember seeing before.  Console, no gauges, no tach, but it had the clock.   Go figure.  Just a speedo, clock and fuel gauge in the dash.

I'm guessing in this instance the clock could be ordered separate...?   I haven't seen cars restored like this before so it caught my eye.  Thought it was rather unusual to see.

A clock [U35] was optional on any '69 not ordered with U16 or U17. Not rare, 20,330 built. Regardless of what you see on ebay a clock was included with Special Instrumentation. Often, the dash housing is replaced and the clock left out.

Cool, so what I saw was legit.  I had a feeling it was. Not rare in a production sense but rarely seen this way now.   Funny how you just never see them restored that way today. 

You will see one restored that way as that is how my car came.

[ZLP955]

The hole for the clock or the tach was die-pierced in a hydrauiic fixture in the assembly plant, on the dash cluster subassembly line.

John, why does the AIM show the cutout dimensions in the instrument carrier (U35/A1 view A) if a fixture was used - or did a worker still have to be involved to position it correctly?

[BULLITT65]

Going back to the clock question. I have seen a console clock plate it seems, was this just a 67-68 option for the console?
Or was there a dealer accessory option to add a clock to the console that didn't have gauges?

[bertfam]

I have seen a console clock plate it seems, was this just a 67-68 option for the console?

The U35 clock was available all three years from the factory, but for 1967 the D55 Console was required IF you also ordered the U57 8 track tape player. For 1968 and 1969, you could get it with or without the console.

It was also available as a dealer installed "Accessory".

Ed

[BULLITT65]

thanks ED!