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william

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Caveat Emptor...huh?
« on: January 07, 2017, 06:20:23 PM »
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-/112261687166?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1a2351677e:g:~jgAAOSw-0xYQyY~&item=112261687166

Body tag looks new to me. Non-original engine, non-original paint & trim. No mention of trans or axle.

Proceed with caution.
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 07:09:02 PM »
I am unsure about the tag being real or not, but interesting if it is a new tag, that it is still painted the wrong color.

Other thing is this guys description of rare options " rear blinker indicator" , yes the ultra rare turn signal.... ;D
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 07:59:44 PM »
I am unsure about the tag being real or not, but interesting if it is a new tag, that it is still painted the wrong color.

Other thing is this guys description of rare options " rear blinker indicator" , yes the ultra rare turn signal.... ;D

One can 'fix' the wrong color cowl plate when it's disassembled to 'black out' the firewall... :)

and the car DOES have a huge list of options... more than I recall ever seeing on a single car (esp a Z28)...

Williams' note:  PROCEED WITH CAUTION is always a good idea with such an advertised car... :)
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 09:29:03 PM »
The" rare blinker indicator" is for cars equipped with fiber optic indicators. It is a rare option and I need the rear one for my 68 Camaro. I have all the front stuff. Just can not see paying the price people want for them. He did not replace the ones on the front fenders.
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 10:10:23 PM »
Well I knew what the fiber optic option was, I  didn't realize you could get it just in the rear. Also power door locks???

Pretty sure that was not an option in 69
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-Looking for an original LOF soft ray windshield
-Looking for original Delco side post negative battery cable part # 6297651AV

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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 12:23:20 AM »

Body tag looks new to me. Non-original engine, non-original paint & trim. No mention of trans or axle.

Proceed with caution.

At least they aren't trying to pass it off as a numbers matching. Shame such a good looking car (and you have to admit it's very well done, pretty) has to suffer a reproduction tag. At least they could have affixed the new one before they sprayed the firewall (lol).

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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 02:18:22 AM »
Is it just me or is this yet another Z28 that can't seem to get the stripes right?

That bugs me like crazy, whether a clone or not, to spend all that money and then mess up something so important and expensive to correct.  The stencil kits and instructions are reproduced and cost next to nothing compared to what they spent on the restoration.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2017, 04:11:09 AM »
X2, besides running to close together in the rear it looks like they run right under the vinyl top, DOH! :P
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2017, 04:53:53 AM »
I could see the rear fiber optic indicator in one of the photos, however it was not available by itself, U46 Vigilight fiberoptic light monitoring is rare and rarely seen, less than 1500 cars out of 240,000.   If the U46 parking lamps are there (provision in the housing for the cable) the possibility exists that it was original to the car, however the fender indicators are missing, which leads one to believe there are more missing parts.

Here is the fender monitor on Dave Beem's L78 conv... along with the window sticker...


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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 06:25:04 AM »
If the U46 parking lamps are there (provision in the housing for the cable) the possibility exists that it was original to the car
Thought I'd post a picture of one of my U46 parking light housings, in case anyone's interested in the fiber optic cable entry detail:
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 05:09:53 PM »
I did not see the VIN posted in this thread for this car.   Here it is...

124379N592877
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 05:18:53 PM »
Just dumb luck I guess, it was placed in the CRG db 17 years ago. At that time it was logged as an "unknown 8 cylinder" and had a swapped body tag from a late '69 09D car. Today it is a highly optioned Z/28-RS.

May not be the first time these guys tried passing off a clone as the real thing:

http://www.brownsclassicautos.com/vehicles/789/1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28

124379N555679 was later consigned to B-J Las Vegas 2016. The judges rejected it and they had to revise the description. Sold for $38,500.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-Z28-RE-CREATION-198324
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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 08:29:34 PM »
Oh wow, I didn't even pay attention to who was selling.  I know that place.  It's literally a few blocks from Westworld where BJ is held.  I can see the lot from the 101 as you drive by.  Never been in there though but their inventory looks extensive.

Sad you have a place like this literally a stones throw from all the major auction houses, and they are attempting to sell clones as the real thing.

They have a contact on their website.   Anyone try to get in touch with them about the odd history on the car in question?   I wouldn't be surprised if this one along with other inventory makes it to one of the auctions here in a couple weeks.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2017, 08:37:26 PM »
Why bother? Think you will get a straight answer? This is directly from their ebay ad for N555679.

This real, X33, 1969 Z/28 Camaro is still powered by it's original, matching number DZ302 engine.

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Re: Caveat Emptor...huh?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2017, 08:45:34 PM »
I wouldn't expect a straight answer but I know how some people can't help themselves, lol.    I hope eagle eyes will be at BJ this year to weed this crap out.