Dealer trade?

[bcmiller]

Dealer trades are common today. Not sure how common they were back in 69, especially for distances over an hour away.

In Kansas, with lower population - I could understand having to "reach out" some distance to get what you wanted.

[bcmiller]

I think it would be good to know the timeline from shipping to dealer, to possible dealer trade, to final sale.

[69Z28-RS]

Dealer trades are common today. Not sure how common they were back in 69, especially for distances over an hour away.

In Kansas, with lower population - I could understand having to "reach out" some distance to get what you wanted.

I was shopping for my first new car in 1969 and several dealers when presented with my desired options/colors/etc.. told me they would check, but was doubtful of finding my list/colors on a lot... so ordering is the alternative if you prefer to wait and have time but have a required list of options.   Look for one to trade for? or Order?   customer option even then.

[BULLITT65]

well if you walked into the dealership in 69, wearing your orange sherbet pin striped suit, and asking for a hugger orange car I can see why ....lol

[69Z28-RS]

   you're funny....  except that in 1969, I couldn't afford a suit of any kind..  except for the ones the USAF issued me.. 

PS>  I had to borrow the money from my credit union to make the down payment..   and between the payment ($93/mo) on the car I bought in late '69 and the insurance ($50/mo), that exhausted my military pay at the time... (I had an off duty job that made more.. so that paid for the $0.50/gallon fuel and dates..

[68 Ragtop]

According to the NCRS my car was sold to a dealer in Ohio, But then my original invoice and the rest of my paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan, and that is where the original owner purchased it, and picked it up in August of 69 new. So I am thinking dealer swap or something.

Possible but not likely in my opinion.  How far apart are the dealerships?

More likely that the NCRS is wrong.

Has there been a documented case of NCRS providing wrong information from the shipping reports?

Yes, the first report on mine listed the dealer ship 'zone' wrong; it happens that I knew what the zone was supposed to be, so I asked them to check, and it turned out the microfiche card was 'damaged in that area' and they read '31' as '21'...  I got a corrected report later...

Ok, thanks for clarifying. That falls under the category of a "clerical error" or incomplete record error and not some kind of fraud.

I would like to think we have at least one thing we can count on being genuine!

[rsinor]

Guys, in dealer trades the p-o-p will reflect the selling dealer, the window sticker, car shipper all of the GM factory prepared paper will reflect the original purchasing dealer, seldom if ever did they go back and change original GM documents because simple fact is GM sold it to a different dealer and if it was dealer traded the p-o-p usually is the only thing that reflects the selling dealer. You could have a hand written dealer invoice I guess, but I would expect all GM paper to show original purchasing dealer.

[BULLITT65]

So I would have to go through the state of Ohio (NCRS shows the selling dealer there)to see if they would have a car shipper, since all of my other paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan?

[69Z28-RS]

Are you trying to confuse the issue, Austin???   

The NCRS paperwork shows the Ohio dealer that originally received the car as shipped from the factory!  (NOT the selling dealer)..  your other paperwork (from a Michigan dealer?),  I assume is paperwork you received from your seller (who was presumably the original retail buyer??)...

[BULLITT65]

I am trying to clarify is all. it is plausible my car was deliver to the dealer in northwest ohio, and then traded to the dealer in Plymouth about an hour and 40 minutes away.

I am just trying to figure out if the car actually ever got delivered to Ohio, or if GM/Chevrolet regional manager would have seen the order, and just went ahead and marked the car to deliver to Plymouth Michigan, or notified the Ohio dealer that they needed his car for a similar order in Plymouth.
And thats the other thing thats strange to me, for this story to work, that Ohio dealer would have had to have the exact car that my original owner ordered with those exact options of Z/28 in Garnet red, ZL-2 hood, and the U16 Tach (center fuel gauge) no console. I know they made 20,302 of these machines, but it seems unlikely that this car just happen to roll off the line a week or 2 right after the order was placed, and then traded and delivered that quickly.
Just saying

[VINCE Z28]

This one was for a L-78 it was over 300 miles between dealers. (both very small towns) The original owner wanted the biggest motor he could in a camaro, he was unaware of the 427 camaro's at that time.

[69Z28-RS]

I am trying to clarify is all. it is plausible my car was deliver to the dealer in northwest ohio, and then traded to the dealer in Plymouth about an hour and 40 minutes away.

I am just trying to figure out if the car actually ever got delivered to Ohio, or if GM/Chevrolet regional manager would have seen the order, and just went ahead and marked the car to deliver to Plymouth Michigan, or notified the Ohio dealer that they needed his car for a similar order in Plymouth.
And thats the other thing thats strange to me, for this story to work, that Ohio dealer would have had to have the exact car that my original owner ordered with those exact options of Z/28 in Garnet red, ZL-2 hood, and the U16 Tach (center fuel gauge) no console. I know they made 20,302 of these machines, but it seems unlikely that this car just happen to roll off the line a week or 2 right after the order was placed, and then traded and delivered that quickly.
Just saying

Provide some dates (of order, of production, etc), and the zone/dealer numbers for the two dealers involved.. and I'm sure we can figure out very simply.  What do you have in regards to the original owner's *order* of the car?  Just a handwritten order form with the Michigan dealer??

PS.  I've gone in with specific options/colors etc to a dealer near me, and had them *check* and find out that another dealer was getting one in (very shortly) exactly what I wanted...  so my dealer would 'make a deal/trade' with the receiving dealer...  they both make out, and I save some time over waiting 4-6 weeks for an order to be generated/built.   New Car dealers never want to 'place a new order' with the factory when they have cars on the lot (that might satisfy you), OR that they can trade with another dealer for a car that will meet your requirements...

[bcmiller]

Gary go back and read what rsinor said.

[bcmiller]

So I would have to go through the state of Ohio (NCRS shows the selling dealer there)to see if they would have a car shipper, since all of my other paperwork shows Plymouth Michigan?

State of Ohio will not have the shipper.

What are the critical dates so we can put together a timeline?

[69Z28-RS]

Gary go back and read what rsinor said.

I understood what Roy said perfectly, Bryon..   what is your issue?