Z28 Emblems.... HOW MANY have been made??

[X33RS]

There are so many(emblems and stripes) around here it is unreal.While looking for the car I have I read Everything Jerry had written and studied every thing I could. I was at a local show a few years back (250) plus cars probably 20 69,s with Z stuff there. A guy looking to buy one was told to see me. He asked how real Z,s were there. I said mine and that blue for sure and I think that black one also. I said the rest are not.

LOL, I see the same thing around here.  Tons of 69's.  Hit a good guys event that attracts cars from 4-5 different states here and you'll get sick of looking at them.   Out of all of them I can count the real Z's on one hand.  Crazy.  Up here around town none of the Z's I've seen at the local shows are real.  Some nice ones that appear real on the outside but that's as far as it goes.  I think I've got the only real one in a 100 mile radius.

BJ weekend is the only time you'll see a fair amount of them at the local Pav's cruise where all the high end stuff comes out.

[69Z28-RS]

You could get a rough idea on the total built from the Vin breaks in Jerry's book ... I was thinking about 1 in 10 had the ZL2 .

I'll have to look into that.  I think I've heard the 1 in 10 production statement before but I believe that applies to the entire 69 run.  I'm most interested in production between Aug and Dec 68 before ZL2 was even available. 

Approx 83,700 Camaros were produced by the end of Dec 1968 (of the 240,000 or so produced during the '69 run).   Using that percentage (approx 1/3 of the Camaros were produced Before the ZL2 was available).

PS.  From my own recollections of the time ('69 thru '72 when I was in the USAF and 100% involved in the Z28/etc street scene), *very few* Z28s were produced with ZL2...  It was the mid'70's before it seemed that every Camaro of any ilk were buying the ZL2 hoods to 'upgrade' their Camaros...

[BULLITT65]

Well all of us that have real SS cars, original Pace cars, or Z cars know what we have. If you are fortunate enough to have your original drivetrain more power to you. Imitation is the highest form of flattery, and some guys just don't have the money, and getting the emblems is about as close as they can get to their dream. Same can be said of COPO,or ZL-1 clones. Other guys would rather create there own for a fraction of the price.
I think we all agree the issue is when these cars change hands, and they are not up front about them, (or the worst, pass them off as the real deal) and the market is full of un-informed buyers.
The way things are now, when I see a Z/28 with the flat hood, it just oozes cool to me. The owner of such a car knows he has a historic rare Muscle car , and doesn't need to add a cowl hood to get a nod from the uninformed car enthusiast.

My car has the original ZL-2 hood, which personally I like. But, if my car was originally a flat hood car, I would be running that flat hood, and educating anyone I overheard that all Z cars came with a "cowl induction hood".

Would it be great if they never reproduced them? Maybe. My car might be considered somewhat rare then....haha 

Another good observation is most of the Camaros produced had (non-rally wheel) hub caps, now it is hard to find one with them. Most have rally wheels now. The flat hood, no Z/28 stripe, hub cap Camaros really grab my attention.
There could very well be less than 20,302 of them out there!

[ban617]

From Sept - Dec 68 ,I came up with 83,803 cars built .. 10,026 cars had the ZL2 option total ..I wonder why
you couldn't get the 9737 option with the bigger sway bar & 140 speedo on a Z/28 ?

[X33RS]

You could get a rough idea on the total built from the Vin breaks in Jerry's book ... I was thinking about 1 in 10 had the ZL2 .

I'll have to look into that.  I think I've heard the 1 in 10 production statement before but I believe that applies to the entire 69 run.  I'm most interested in production between Aug and Dec 68 before ZL2 was even available. 

Approx 83,700 Camaros were produced by the end of Dec 1968 (of the 240,000 or so produced during the '69 run).   Using that percentage (approx 1/3 of the Camaros were produced Before the ZL2 was available).

PS.  From my own recollections of the time ('69 thru '72 when I was in the USAF and 100% involved in the Z28/etc street scene), *very few* Z28s were produced with ZL2...  It was the mid'70's before it seemed that every Camaro of any ilk were buying the ZL2 hoods to 'upgrade' their Camaros...

From Sept - Dec 68 ,I came up with 83,803 cars built .. 10,026 cars had the ZL2 option total ..I wonder why
you couldn't get the 9737 option with the bigger sway bar & 140 speedo on a Z/28 ?

So we are talking about a pretty significant number of Z28's then that didn't have ZL2, and a lot of that happened in the first 4 months.    I guess it would be easier to say most Z28's just didn't have it.  You sure wouldn't know that today, lol.

[ban617]

Well from the 10,027 number we need to subtract the Copo's & Pace cars then take that number divided into 20,302 and then would have an idea of the total Z/28's with the Zl2 .

[BULLITT65]

Pretty sure you could get the ZL-2 hood on the SS as well, so take that into account.

Seems like this may have been discussed before?

[ban617]

     Ok, according to the ZL2 report 10,026 hoods orderd about 1/2 went to Copo's & Pace cars so that left 5,000 to be divided between Z/28's ( 20,000) & SS cars ( 30,000 ) so 50,000 divided by 5,000 = 1 out every 10 of those 50,000 had the ZL2 option ... I guess that blows the saying all Z/28's had the ZL2 option....

[ban617]

  Also out of the 12 real Z/28's I know personally all had flat hoods except one & Recall looking for the hole in the fire wall

[X33RS]

     Ok, according to the ZL2 report 10,026 hoods orderd about 1/2 went to Copo's & Pace cars so that left 5,000 to be divided between Z/28's ( 20,000) & SS cars ( 30,000 ) so 50,000 divided by 5,000 = 1 out every 10 of those 50,000 had the ZL2 option ... I guess that blows the saying all Z/28's had the ZL2 option....

 
Wow, looking at that formula with SS's included, the 1 out of 10 would be a greater margin for Z28's alone.  Theoretically, in rough figures, for every 2 Z28's made, they made 3 SS's.  33% more?    Would it be more accurate to say 1 in about 13 Z28's had ZL2?    That would mean out of 20,302 Z's made that year, only about 1,561 69 Z's had ZL2.   

Hey Bullitt, I just made your car pretty rare   Just send a check, lol

[ban617]

Yea that would be fair to say

[BULLITT65]

Seems like Kurt tabulated this in another conversation, and estimated for Z cars it was about 1 in 11 Z/28's had the ZL-2 hood. I think since the SS had its own special hood, it was rare to have a SS with the ZL-2 hood as well.

So yes me, Gary's Z may have an original (69Z-28RS), and a handful of other guys on here.
Its nice that the originals have a date code, so you can cross check if the date lines up with your car. Every time I am at a show I look for the date code when they have their hoods open, I know there are originals out there, but I haven't come across one yet.

Regardless of hood, I think finding an original Z is chore. Since my X77 car has very little options, the documented original hood was a definite bonus, but I wasn't going to walk away if it turned out to be a flat hooded Z....

[69Z28-RS]

One of the research lists being maintained is the ZL2 hood dates I think...  so that listing would contain the cars owned by folks on this site with original ZL2 hoods...  as I've said before, I was around *many* early Z28s when they were new and a few years old, and VERY FEW had the cowl induction hood from the factory...

[X33RS]

Yea that would be fair to say

WOW, I was just spitballing some numbers for giggles.  I thought that number looked extremely low considering the amount of 69Z's produced.  I never thought it would be that low.  I was thinking more like 3,000 out of 20,000 maybe sounded realistic.  I'm a bit surprised.

[X33RS]

Seems like Kurt tabulated this in another conversation, and estimated for Z cars it was about 1 in 11 Z/28's had the ZL-2 hood. I think since the SS had its own special hood, it was rare to have a SS with the ZL-2 hood as well.

So yes me, Gary's Z may have an original (69Z-28RS), and a handful of other guys on here.
Its nice that the originals have a date code, so you can cross check if the date lines up with your car. Every time I am at a show I look for the date code when they have their hoods open, I know there are originals out there, but I haven't come across one yet.

Regardless of hood, I think finding an original Z is chore. Since my X77 car has very little options, the documented original hood was a definite bonus, but I wasn't going to walk away if it turned out to be a flat hooded Z....

That is exactly right, finding an original "real" Z is a chore nowadays.  Amazes me considering the number produced that it's so difficult to even find a real one.   I don't care so much about what options they have anymore, it's just a treat to see a real one.