67 Z-28 going to auction

[KurtS]

You rate higher than me, no response, even though I sent them the original tag!
I helped Dana with a car a few years back - same thing, no thanks.
I don't think I need to help them in the future.

For reference, here is the new repro tag.

[X33RS]

I would have thought that selling a bogus car like that, without disclosing what it really is, was against the law?  I would think that could come back to haunt Mecum, especially now that it's been brought to their attention there is no denying it.

I mean, there are laws that protect the buyers from this type of fraudulent transaction and individuals have been held accountable in the past.  Is an auction house above the law?

[cook_dw]

You rate higher than me, no response, even though I sent them the original tag!
I helped Dana with a car a few years back - same thing, no thanks.
I don't think I need to help them in the future.

For reference, here is the new repro tag.

I did the same & I seriously doubt that..  Your Charlie with the "golden ticket.."   

I'd say it was because they thought I might have been a previous owner..  I haven't received a response since..  I'm with you though I won't contact them again.  Not my problem.

[Mike S]

 Maybe they figured to load up the tag with thick paint and nobody would notice. Good thing the original tag is available for show.
Sad however. This sort of reminds me of that guy who was interviewed at some show and he claimed to be in Nam during Tet even though he got the date it took place wrong. I doubted, along with others here, he was in country at all and his Camaro was not so untouched as he suggested it was. Someone here in CRG notified the place the footage was running on and it was taken off afterwards.

Mike

[cook_dw]

I would have thought that selling a bogus car like that, without disclosing what it really is, was against the law?  I would think that could come back to haunt Mecum, especially now that it's been brought to their attention there is no denying it.

I mean, there are laws that protect the buyers from this type of fraudulent transaction and individuals have been held accountable in the past.  Is an auction house above the law?

All he kept asking was for proof for their lawyers to go against what the owner is stating..  I guess photos aren't good enough.  

Maybe they figured to load up the tag with thick paint and nobody would notice. Good thing the original tag is available for show.
Sad however. This sort of reminds me of that guy who was interviewed at some show and he claimed to be in Nam during Tet even though he got the date it took place wrong. I doubted, along with others here, he was in country at all and his Camaro was not so untouched as he suggested it was. Someone here in CRG notified the place the footage was running on and it was taken off afterwards.

Mike

That's exactly what I told him..  Lol. But if you look at it you can see it's a repop tag..

[jdv69z]

Says Motor and Trans VIN match the car VIN. So would they most likely have been re-stamped to match the car, or has the car's VIN been altered? Wonder if the motor is even a legitimate 67 302?

[Mike S]

 I can see where they are coming from. I guess with high dollars at stake, they will be adamant about proof. Outside of JM issuing such a notice, I'm sure they will want conclusive enough proof before they take it to the next step, if any at all. Looks like they are in the middle of this 'explosive mess'.



Mike

[FortLangleyBC]

Says Motor and Trans VIN match the car VIN. So would they most likely have been re-stamped to match the car, or has the car's VIN been altered? Wonder if the motor is even a legitimate 67 302?

FYI - I emailed Mecum two days ago as a potential buyer asking for photos of the engine, tranny and axle stampings with no reply. The posting on Mecum states that they are available??

[1968RSZ28]

From Mecum's website...

1967 CHEVROLET CAMARO RS Z28
302/290 HP, 4-SPEED

HIGHLIGHTS

- Ordered in Black and White by Felix Chevrolet in Los Angeles, California to match dealer’s mascot, 'Felix the Cat'
- Wilson B. Felix traded a new car for rights to use 'Felix the Cat' for his dealership mascot
- Less than 500 miles on frame-off restoration
- Original rust free sheet metal
- MP-suffix 302/290 HP V-8 engine, partial vin matches car
- Muncie M21 4-speed transmission, partial vin matches car
- 12 bolt QA code 4.10 Positraction
- Power steering, power front disc brakes
- Factory traction bar
- RPO Z22 RS package
- Rare code AA Tuxedo Black
- RPO Z23 special interior décor package
- Factory Black custom bucket seat package
- Tinted glass, fold down seat
- Center console, Deluxe seat belts
- Tach and gauges package
- Front and rear bumper guards
- 15 inch wheels with Redline tires
- Original Chevrolet cowl tag with correct option codes
- NCRS shipping data report
- Detailed pictures of all casting numbers, date codes and vin stampings
- Pictures of car before restoration

Paul

[68camaroz28]

This is something else and highly disappointing on Mecum's part. Time will tell us more!

[69Z28-RS]

so with the new fake cowl tag, they changed two things:   Paid code  from G-2 to A-A, and the lower entry that was originally '2MG' was changed to '2LG'.   All else seems to be the same unless I missed something important..?    Did they do this just to change the color to black? or is that last change important also??  what is the 2LG??

[69Z28-RS]

You rate higher than me, no response, even though I sent them the original tag!
I helped Dana with a car a few years back - same thing, no thanks.
I don't think I need to help them in the future.

For reference, here is the new repro tag.

Maybe a mention that if they don't correct their advertising, you will provide the information to the buyer that the Mecum marketing/advertising was false and misleading and that they knew it before the auction....   that *might* get their attention..

[FortLangleyBC]

so with the new fake cowl tag, they changed two things:   Paid code  from G-2 to A-A, and the lower entry that was originally '2MG' was changed to '2LG'.   All else seems to be the same unless I missed something important..?    Did they do this just to change the color to black? or is that last change important also??  what is the 2LG??

2M is for Power Glide & 2L is 4 speed.

They also added the 4L - Z28

[1968RSZ28]

so with the new fake cowl tag, they changed two things:   Paid code  from G-2 to A-A, and the lower entry that was originally '2MG' was changed to '2LG'.   All else seems to be the same unless I missed something important..?    Did they do this just to change the color to black? or is that last change important also??  what is the 2LG??

Gary, they also added the 4L which indicates Z/28!

Paul

[69Z28-RS]

so with the new fake cowl tag, they changed two things:   Paid code  from G-2 to A-A, and the lower entry that was originally '2MG' was changed to '2LG'.   All else seems to be the same unless I missed something important..?    Did they do this just to change the color to black? or is that last change important also??  what is the 2LG??

So the car was NOT a Z28, was NOT black...  the total sales/marketing BS is fabricated from zilch....  UGH...   Isn't that quite an endorsement of the seller!!  NOT...

Gary, they also added the 4L which indicates Z/28!

Paul