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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2016, 01:31:34 AM »
Going from memory but those don't appear to be original 69 or 70 rods. Will do more checking tomorrow to see if I can determine what they are.

I believe 3404 and 2438 are aftermarket Hurst rods for 64-70 or so Chevelle.
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2016, 05:19:37 PM »
10-4, thanks for checking.   I did notice those rods also differ in coatings as does the factory rods (what I believe to be factory rods with no numbers) on my 69 Z28 shifter setup.  One silver cad and others black phosphate.

On that late 69 setup with a 70 stick, that was all bolted onto a complete 66 327 L79 with it's original M21 Muncie complete out of a corvette that my father bought in about 1972.  That drivetrain is in the 56 now, However I don't recall if my father bolted on that shifter at that time or if it came with it, but that all happened early 70's, and then it just sat idle.  So I know the origin of the engine/trans, but the shifter is a mistery, that engine/trans had already been in another 56 chevy by 1972 before my father acquired it.   We also had a 70 Z28 that was shared as a driver, my sister totaled that car and I stripped it of everything, but that happened a little later so this can't be that shifter.  I haven't run across that one yet.  Still digging.

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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2016, 04:36:29 PM »
Going from memory but those don't appear to be original 69 or 70 rods. Will do more checking tomorrow to see if I can determine what they are.

I believe 3404 and 2438 are aftermarket Hurst rods for 64-70 or so Chevelle.

Bryon,  What do you expect to see on '69 SB factory shifter rods?   As a result of interest this thread created, I examined my factory original shifter rods the other day.  My car is an 09C (of 69) Z28 which I believe to have all it's original parts (I believed so in 1976 when I purchased it and I still believe so).. :)

Prior to this, I'd never checked the rods for numbers as I only learned in the past year or two that such parts sometimes carried numbers!!   When I checked the alternate shifter/linkage/rods (that I traded to Dave Hawksley a couple of years ago), I only checked the lengths, ends, and bend configuration of those rods to my original rods and they matched, and of course the shifter body was from '69, so I *assumed* the items I sold him were from a '69 SB (Z28).  (He told me a few days ago that the rods he sold did not have numbers)

An examination of my shifter (890731C)/3138 and rods told me this:  The Rev rod had a number (5771?).. and the other two rods had no number that I could find although I only did a minimum amount of cleaning in attempting to find a number.
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2016, 04:56:34 PM »
Shifter body assembly date is August of 69. Reverse rod is correct.

Visually from what I see the other rods look right. Check a bit more. Stamping may be light.

I think there are some cases where rods were not stamped though.
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2016, 07:57:11 PM »
The rods which SgtHawk just sold were not stamped at all according to him (I had never checked when I owned them).  Most are satisfied that they are correct for the '69 SB factory Muncie/Hurst shifter; the rods are configured identically to the ones which were on my car since 1976 when I purchased it (and which has been stored undriven since 1980).  Every part on my car that I've ever looked at (and folks here know I've looked at most parts).. have been 'factory installed original'.  I feel very confident in saying that every part on my car was installed at the factory (aside from rubber suspension bushings which I replaced, engine internals such as bearings, rings, etc which I replaced on rebuild)...  were installed in the Norwood factory when my car was built.

I have no doubt about the rods being proper for the car as assembled in the factory, but I'm curious from a research perspective about other '69 Hurst/Muncie rods you have data for... are they all stamped?   Are they not stamped?  or is there a mix? 
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2016, 08:13:30 PM »
In my case the original 69Z shifter I have dated Dec 68 has what appears to be it's original rods.  They are configured just as yours are.  None of mine have any stampings on them either.  It appears others were also this way.

My late 69 shifter with the rods still on the nomad, only 2 of those rods were stamped, the other rod wasn't.   My setups also have a mixture of coatings with some black phosphate and some silver.  From what I'm told, not unusual.

To me, the stampings don't appear to be all that consistent. 

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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2016, 08:16:53 PM »
Something else that I was told is a clue.   The factory style rods are all coarse thread, while the aftermarket Hurst rods tend to be fine thread.

All of mine are coarse thread...

I've also noticed on all the aftermarket hurst shifters I have here on the shelf, the linkage is configured differently.  The reverse rod crosses under the 1-2 rod on every one of them.

These factory shifters I have with their original rods are all inline with each other just as you show in your picture Gary.

I don't know if any of this means squat, just an observation.

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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2016, 08:29:48 PM »
Something else that I was told is a clue.   The factory style rods are all coarse thread, while the aftermarket Hurst rods tend to be fine thread.

All of mine are coarse thread.

So even the ones on that shifter with the numbers you mentioned are coarse thread?

Do the look the same as other 69 rods? Same thickness?
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2016, 08:32:01 PM »
Yeah they are all coarse thread, but I don't know if that's really a solid clue, just what I was told.

They are configured the same way as the other 69 rods I have (all in line)  But I didn't bother to check the thickness, didn't know that might be different.  Now you have me wondering.

Sounds like I'll be diving back under that car again, lol

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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2016, 10:15:22 PM »
The long rod, 3-4 shift is fine thread. BB and SB.
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2016, 10:33:13 PM »
The long rod, 3-4 shift is fine thread. BB and SB.

I went back to my high res photos... and what Mike asserts is true on my shifter rods..  ie.  The long 3-4 rod has fine threads, the others are coarse thread.

But this does beg the question:  WHY???
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2016, 11:16:12 PM »
Aftermarket rods use different mounting ends - on the shifter end. X33RS do you post a pic of the ends? The rod with the D stamp may be an original GM. I will try to figure out what for.

Most 67/68 rods do not seem to be stamped with numbers. Some have letter stamps. 69 appears to vary, as does the finish.

In 69, Z28 and SS350 used the same rods for the Hurst 4 spd shifter.

CRG has been working on a shifter report.
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2016, 11:36:20 PM »
Okay went back out and looked at my Dec 68 shifter, you are right, the 3-4 rod is fine thread and the others are coarse.  Duh....that's what I get for taking a quick glance before, lol.

Bryon, I tried to google those 2 numbers from the rods on the later shifter the other night and get absolutely nothing, nothing on Hurst's sight, just zilch.
Do you want a pic of the ends of the Dec 68 shifter or did I do that already??  Are we talking about the other one?

I'll check for just a letter stamp as well, that seems familiar for some reason.

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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2016, 12:42:19 AM »
Pic of the ends of the rods on the late 69 shifter would be good. Thanks! :)
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Re: Hurst shifters
« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2016, 02:51:33 AM »
OK.... I found a pix I took the other day and zoomed into the rod thread area and cropped it.... This is the pix I used to confirm that the long rod (3-4) did have fine threads vs the other 2 rods with coarse threads.  I think you can see this yourself.
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