Confirmation of original engine

[KY67]

Exactly the problem.  Looks like an 8 to me but that would be inconsistent with the casting number.  Can anyone else see a 6 in that pic?  Does anyone have a pic of a casting date with a 6 to compare?

Thanks all,
Martyn

[KurtS]

It's common for the casting dates to be sloppy like that.

[KY67]

Assuming that is a 6 in the casting date  (because nothing else makes sense), I have the following,

VIN:124377N18912
Cowl Tag indicates  01D build date and  Norwood assembly (NOR 74367)
Engine Code from engine pad  V0202MA  (no partial VIN)
Block casting number  3892657
Block casting date L 29 6

So,
-  the block casting number is consistent with a '67 327
-  the block casting date (12/29/66) precedes engine assembly (2/2/67) by 33 days (A BIT MUCH BUT NOT UNHEARD OF)
-  the engine code is consistent with a '67 327/210 manual
-  engine assembly date is 4-11 days after the cowl tag build date (Jan 4th week) depending upon when in week 4 the engine assembly began (THIS IS UNUSUAL BUT IS IT POSSIBLE?)-   see note below from Drivetrain Decoding page.

The engine assembly date almost always is before the Fisher Body cowl tag date. In the unusual case it is later (since the Fisher Body calendar does not always line up with the normal calendar), it should be within a week of the body.

The serial number from VIN (189128) maps to a March production.  Is this possible with a 1D cowl tag date?  The production numbers for Feb were remarkably low?  Does anyone know the explanation?  Could this explain the apparent inconsistency?


for MY '67, the partial VIN was stamped on engine block only for Z-28 and SS engines, not my base 327.  Is there any other means of confirming an original engine?

Martyn

[ko-lek-tor]

"Does anyone know the explanation?"KY67(Martyn)

I am sorry if this has already been addressed, but have you checked the hidden VIN? to see if it is the same as tag on your car's jamb?

[x77-69z28]

I would try to straighten out the vin anomaly first. Take the wipers off and pull the cowl panel to find the one hidden vin. I'm not thrilled that the vin plate is painted. I would be taking a hard look at the rivets. Shouldn't be painted. Never say never, but you shouldn't have an engine assembled after the car was built. Good luck, keep us informed.
Buddy

[x77-69z28]

Great minds think alike Bentley. We posted at th,e same time!

[KurtS]

I hate to have to tell you this, but it looks like either your tag or VIN is from a different car.  You'll want to check the partial VIN on the cowl. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#PartialVIN

[KY67]

okay...the partial VIN below the cowl is 7N189128...not a match as you suspected.

So...looks like this car has been pieced together from multiple cars based on non-matching VINs and the late date on rear axle.  I'm still puzzled as to how one can absolutely confirm an original, numbers-,matching engine without a partial VIN on the engine.  Am I missing something or is it only possible to determine that numbers are consistent rather than matching?

I'll move on to the transmission next.  I'm still interested to see if everything is as it should be for the model, even if it is not original to the car.  I'm also looking at the interior and see some suspicious floor panels. More on that soon and in a more appropriate thread.

And to think this all started with a simple heater core replacement 

[ko-lek-tor]

Is it possible to determine with certainty whether my engine is original to my '67 Camaro?

VIN = 124377N189128
Cowl Tag indicates  01D build date and  Norwood assembly (NOR 74367)
Engine Code from engine pad  V0202MA  (no partial VIN)


-  serial number from VIN (189128) maps to a March production

I understand engine code dates can be later than cowl tag build date.  Is the VIN serial number inconsistent with the build date or engine code?  Is there anything else I can do to confirm whether engine is original to the car?  Any help is appreciated.

okay...the partial VIN below the cowl is 7N189128...not a match as you suspected.
 

Excuse me?, THAT is a match!

[cook_dw]

Do everyone a favor and post pics of the trim tag, axle code, hidden vin and the vin tag; please... 

[1968RSZ28]

Do everyone a favor and post pics of the trim tag, axle code, hidden vin and the vin tag; please... 

Darrell, photos of the cowl tag and VIN tag have already been posted.  See replies 3 & 9.

Paul

[cook_dw]

Sorry I didnt even look at the 1st page..  My apologizes.

[KY67]

Guess I wasn't awake this morning when I made that post.  That's embarrassing.  Let's try again.

Pic of the partial VIN from the cowl is attached.  The 2 is hard to make out in the pic but shows more clearly under a magnifying glass.  The stamp is odd in that the number is positioned higher than the others and the stamp is light at the top of the 2.

I have also attached a pic of the transmission code (S7T19 - Saginaw 3spd '67 Dec 19).

So...now what are your thoughts?  Again, not looking to sell this car or pretend its anything its not.  Just collecting the facts and enjoying the process.

[BULLITT65]

pic of the cowl vin is where?

[KY67]

sorry.  added it