Service Engines (CE coded)

[bcmiller]

Ah, it is a 512 small block, not a big block 427.  I see now.  Disregard my previous post.

I was thinking a 512 block 427.

[bcmiller]

Tim, one thing to remember is that these CE assemblies were for the whole Chevrolet line, including trucks.

You may have seen some of my posts in those threads you mentioned too.  I have been looking at these CE blocks for a while too.

Here is how I would value things relative to what engine is a in car...
1.  Original born with engine with a partial VIN that matches the car.
2.  CE with original paperwork.
3.  Original engine, with original stampings, same engine as what the car had, but different partial VIN.
4.  Period correct CE engine - no paperwork.
5.  Period correct NOM with different original stamped code and partial VIN, but same displacement.
6.  Any other NOM.

But 4, 5 and 6 are pretty close to each other in my mind.  But this is just my opinion.

[ZLP955]

Thanks Bryon.
I realise that the CE blocks were used across all models, not just Camaros or even passenger cars. Based on the stamp number of the 512 block I posted a pic of above, by early December 1968, almost all of the 30,000 sequential numbers assigned to Flint V8 had been used. So it seems likely that the theory that the numbers were rest back to 20000 with the addition of an 'A' prefix (CE9A), then on to 'B' (CE9B) when that run of 30,000 was used up, is a valid one. But that's a lot of warranty replacements.......
I'm not at all interested in the value question of having a CE 302 in my car, it lost the original DZ so it'll never be a numbers car. But I'm curious about whatever documentation is referred to, and how anyone with a CE could determine if it was the one the dealer fitted to their car.

Bryon are you interested in compiling data on these blocks from members contributing their dates and stampings like Charlie did?

[bcmiller]

Tim, yes I have been trying to compile data on CE engines and CT transmissions for a while.  

If you or anyone else would like to share data, it would be AWESOME and greatly appreciated.  We need as many data points as we can get.

What would be best is
1. Picture of the stamped information on the pad.
2. Block casting number
3. Block casting date

Thanks!

[69Z28-RS]

I have a '69 Corvette which has a dealer installed *(under warranty)* CE engine.

Body Build date M07    7 Aug 1969  (from body plate)
Original engine    V0725HX  (assembled 25Aug1969 - from my Protecto Plate)
Muncie  P9H27 ; differential  AM0722W
Intake and heads dated consistently  (G229)
Car sold new by Royal Chevrolet on 30 Aug 1969  (from Protecto plate)
The original owner told me he street raced practically every night for 2 or 3 weeks, then had engine problems.  Took it back to the dealer for service, and ended up 'trading it for a 427 Corvette'; the service manager replaced the engine under warranty and ended up purchasing the car and owned it for 18 yrs.

The replacement engine installed by Royal Chevrolet Service Department (Huntsville, AL):   CE9B442 9 6    this engine cast date:  I 18 9  (Sept 18, 1969).

[bcmiller]

Gary, very interesting.  And nice car!

So you have the paperwork for the warranty work?  Did they note the CE number on the paperwork?

[69Z28-RS]

Nope, no documentation, but I'm sure from what the original and prior owner told me that it is the engine installed for the service work when the car was only a few weeks old.   I was very interested in them finding the protecto-plate, but I never thought to ask the couple I bought it from if they had any of the service paperwork.   The car has only a bit over 40K miles on it.  It's all original except for the CE engine and 2 repaints (both in lacquer - one by the prior owner in the 80's and the last by me in 99).  Original leather seats, many factory options with the 350 hp 4sp and I retrieved the factory build sheet from the gas tank  to verify it all. 

I got the Protecto plate, owners manual and protective sleeve several years later when the prior owners found it and brought it to me..  (like a Christmas day in July)..

[bcmiller]

Gary, and that is a very short history you had to check back on.  And still the paperwork is not there.  I believe what you have been told is right.  The time from when the engine was blown and the replacement block was cast seems like only about a week or less.

[ZLP955]

Bryon, here's some data that I've been collecting, it's still very much a work in progress which I will add to.

BB/SB   Block Casting   Casting Date   Pad Stamp   Oil Pan Flange Stamp   Note(s)
Cast 1967
BB                      3916323        F 6 7      CE850140       T087
BB                      3916323        J 8 7      CE853643       T0107
================================================================================
Cast 1968
SB                      3914678        D 16 8      CE922528
SB                      3959512        J 10 8      CE089910
SB                      3959512        K 29 8      CE946309
================================================================================
Cast 1969
SB                      3956618        A 9 9      CE9A24288
SB                      3956618        A 30 9      CE9A32634
SB                      3970010        E 12 9      CE9A98666
BB                      3969854        F 11 9      CE973962
BB                      3969854        H 30 9      CE070400          T099                  Also first stamped T0916KE
BB                      3969854        J 14 9      CE075672
SB                      3970010        L 8 9      C15408U                         (anomoly; possibly non-factory stamp?)
================================================================================
Cast 1970
SB                      3970010        C 28 0      CE0A48264
SB                      3970010        E 23 0      CE0B00122
SB                      3970010        I 2 0      CE1A94176
SB                      3970010        L 29 0      CEA129749                    (no typo, A before 1, photo available)
================================================================================
Cast 1972
SB                      3970010        A 10 2      CE221365
BB                      3999290        J 23 72      CE361351
================================================================================
Cast 1974
SB                      3970010        F 20 4      CE431334

Table formatting is a bit misaligned, but other members please feel free to add your data to it, by hitting 'quote' and then inserting in the appropriate date order. Thanks!

[jvb6648]

Purchased my CE bare block in 4/74. 3970010, B 12 4, CE3A973  96. Stamp isn't the best. Tried to upload photo but file is to big or something, it just won't take it.

[69Z28-RS]

Bryon, here's some data that I've been collecting, it's still very much a work in progress which I will add to.

BB/SB   Block Casting   Casting Date   Pad Stamp   Oil Pan Flange Stamp   Note(s)
Cast 1967
BB                      3916323        F 6 7      CE850140       T087
BB                      3916323        J 8 7      CE853643       T0107
================================================================================
Cast 1968
SB                      3914678        D 16 8      CE922528
SB                      3959512        J 10 8      CE089910
SB                      3959512        K 29 8      CE946309
================================================================================
Cast 1969
SB                      3956618        A 9 9      CE9A24288
SB                      3956618        A 30 9      CE9A32634
SB                      3970010        E 12 9      CE9A98666
BB                      3969854        F 11 9      CE973962
BB                      3969854        H 30 9      CE070400          T099                  Also first stamped T0916KE
SB                      3970010        I 18 9         CE9B442 9 6   warranty repl. for  V0725HX orig eng.
BB                      3969854        J 14 9      CE075672
SB                      3970010        L 8 9      C15408U                         (anomoly; possibly non-factory stamp?)
================================================================================
Cast 1970
SB                      3970010        C 28 0      CE0A48264
SB                      3970010        E 23 0      CE0B00122
SB                      3970010        I 2 0      CE1A94176
SB                      3970010        L 29 0      CEA129749                    (no typo, A before 1, photo available)
================================================================================
Cast 1972
SB                      3970010        A 10 2      CE221365
BB                      3999290        J 23 72      CE361351
================================================================================
Cast 1974
SB                      3970010        F 20 4      CE431334

Table formatting is a bit misaligned, but other members please feel free to add your data to it, by hitting 'quote' and then inserting in the appropriate date order. Thanks!

[ZLP955]

Updated:
BB/SB   Block Casting   Casting Date   Pad Stamp   Oil Pan Flange Stamp   Note(s)
Cast 1967
BB                      3916323        F 6 7      CE850140       T087
BB                      3916323         F 6 7         CE850154           T087
BB                      3916323        J 8 7      CE853643       T0107
================================================================================
Cast 1968
SB                      3914678        D 16 8      CE922528
SB                      3959512        J 10 8      CE089910
SB                      3932386         J 22 8          CE936524
SB                      3959512        K 29 8      CE946309
================================================================================
Cast 1969
SB                      3956618        A 9 9      CE9A24288
SB                      3956618        A 30 9      CE9A32634
SB                      3970010        E 12 9      CE9A98666
BB                      3969854        F 11 9      CE973962
BB                      3969854        H 30 9      CE070400          T099                  Also first stamped T0916KE
SB                      3970010        I 18 9       CE9B44296                                  warranty repl. for  V0725HX orig eng.
BB                      3969854        J 14 9      CE075672
SB                      3970010        L 8 9      C15408U                         (anomoly; possibly non-factory stamp?)
================================================================================
Cast 1970
SB                      3970010        C 28 0      CE0A48264
SB                      3970010        E 23 0      CE0B00122
SB                      3970010        I 2 0        CE1A94176
SB                      3970010        L 29 0      CEA129749                    (no typo, A before 1, photo available)
================================================================================
Cast 1972
SB                      3970010        A 10 2      CE221365
BB                      3999289         F 21 72      CE264155
BB                      3999290        J 23 72      CE361351
================================================================================
Cast 1974
SB                      3970010        B 12 4        CE3A97396                    (cast 74 but stamped for 73 MY?)
SB                      3970010        F 20 4      CE431334

Table formatting is a bit misaligned, but other members please feel free to add your data to it, by hitting 'quote' and then inserting in the appropriate date order. Thanks!

[ZLP955]

PS anyone with HTML skills who knows how to format a table and would like to help, please do so; post displays very differently between editing and when displayed on screen.......

[bcmiller]

Thanks for posting that Tim.  On my browser it looks fine. I will look it all over and put into a spreadsheet. Pics would be great if you could send to my email.

Jim you can send it to my email if you want.  

bcm66@cox.net

[cook_dw]

I have it copied over in a spreadsheet if that will help you.