Original dealer info for 1st gens is available

[-vellu]

I have order no. 511

The car is now in Finland (Europe). I know the history in Finland and I am the third owner here. I also know one owner in the U.S. California (date issued 04/26/84).
When I have more information of my "world tour" car, it can be a fun to show it in Google Maps  

[ko-lek-tor]

Oooohhh, Aaahhh, Nice, nice, nice!! ...did I say that your car is nice? Real NICE!

[BULLITT65]

Hey guys instead of waiting for old dealer items to pop up why not post wanted ads on CL right before a swap meet,or a web site for a year or so... you never know a former dealers kids or grand kids may be setting on the stuff you guys want.

lol, only problem is all the spammers and trolls. I have tried it, all I got were responses like " I have what you want, contact me and lets get together"

Let me tell you something ...they do not have what you want.

gives a whole new meaning to: "try it you may get lucky" 

[69Z28-RS]

I hope the first of you guys to get the report back, will please post pics of what is provided, so the rest of us will see it nice and clear.
Thanks in advance!

Bullitt,

Based on what Roy Sinor has told us we will receive, and based on my own car's VIN and dealer tag and label (on the car when I purchased it in 1976), I can predict what my letter will say...

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    "Subject to the General Conditions listed on the reverse side, National Corvette Restorer’s Society, Inc, confirms the following information exists in the GM shipping data records for the 1969 Camaro with vehicle identification number  124379N686XXX.
                    .
    The GM official Production Date was 9/17/1969

    The original delivery dealer was Dealer code 73   in zone 8 .

    The name and Address for the dealer was:
       Joe V Clayton Chevrolet, Inc
       Arab, AL  35016"
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My only point with this is that most of us know or suspect the information on our cars already, and we can calculate the production date based on the VIN, but what the service does for us is PROVIDE GM CONFIRMATION of that information!  and that is well worth the $50 IMO...   

When I get my letter, I'll update this and see how good my prediction was....

WELL, my report came in today (#136 submitted).   

I'm not a happy camper;  I'm less knowledgable now than I thought I was before.. I missed the production date by a day (I predicted 17Sept, but it actually was the 18th.. (Not a big surprise to me, as I always knew it was one of those days.. borderline situation)...  But the real surprise I received was..   Zone 21  Dealer 73 ...   UNKNOWN....   

So apparently having the Joe V Clayton plaques and tag bracket did NOT indicate the original dealer it was shipped to?  Clayton Chevrolet is Dealer 73 in Zone 8 (per the database info).

Was this car a dealer Transfer?  OR is the zone information WRONG in the records, since the dealer number of 73 is the dealer number for Clayton Chevrolet.   What does  ZONE mean?   Did it ever change for a particular dealer?  Any information or guesses appreciated..
 

[Steve Shauger]

I hope the first of you guys to get the report back, will please post pics of what is provided, so the rest of us will see it nice and clear.
Thanks in advance!

Bullitt,

Based on what Roy Sinor has told us we will receive, and based on my own car's VIN and dealer tag and label (on the car when I purchased it in 1976), I can predict what my letter will say...

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    "Subject to the General Conditions listed on the reverse side, National Corvette Restorer’s Society, Inc, confirms the following information exists in the GM shipping data records for the 1969 Camaro with vehicle identification number  124379N686XXX.
                    .
    The GM official Production Date was 9/17/1969

    The original delivery dealer was Dealer code 73   in zone 8 .

    The name and Address for the dealer was:
       Joe V Clayton Chevrolet, Inc
       Arab, AL  35016"
---------------------------------------------------------------

My only point with this is that most of us know or suspect the information on our cars already, and we can calculate the production date based on the VIN, but what the service does for us is PROVIDE GM CONFIRMATION of that information!  and that is well worth the $50 IMO...  

When I get my letter, I'll update this and see how good my prediction was....

WELL, my report came in today (#136 submitted).  

I'm not a happy camper;  I'm less knowledgable now than I thought I was before.. I missed the production date by a day (I predicted 17Sept, but it actually was the 18th.. (Not a big surprise to me, as I always knew it was one of those days.. borderline situation)...  But the real surprise I received was..   Zone 21  Dealer 73 ...   UNKNOWN....  

So apparently having the Joe V Clayton plaques and tag bracket did NOT indicate the original dealer it was shipped to?  Clayton Chevrolet is Dealer 73 in Zone 8 (per the database info).

Was this car a dealer Transfer?  OR is the zone information WRONG in the records, since the dealer number of 73 is the dealer number for Clayton Chevrolet.   What does  ZONE mean?   Did it ever change for a particular dealer?  Any information or guesses appreciated..
  

Yes, in fact in 1969 zone 11 dealer 372 was Max Myers Motors in Middlebury, IN and it appears to change to McManus Chevrolet in Chicago , Il in 1970.This is the info on my 69 Indy Pace Car.


Below is the explanation of why they change. I believe the zone is basically a territory, and territories changed as well.

From NCRS database page:

General Motors assigned zone and dealer numbers to active dealers at the time of assignment.  As dealerships changed ownership and went out of business the dealer number may be re-assigned to other new dealerships.  For this reason dates are included with this information where known.

[69Z28-RS]

Thanks Steve..  for a little more enlightenment.   Joe V Clayton Chevrolet originated in 1968 per some info I have, so that could have been with the '69 model year...  being a first year dealership, perhaps that has something to do with this.   I plan to check with my friend who works there and have him ask around to if they know if/when the zone might have changed...

[BULLITT65]

ok that sounds logical. So is there a good list that accounts for the changes and dates for guys like Gary (really there is no one like Gary)..  

[Frosty69]

A huge Thank You to Roy and the NCRS for this service and for everyone who has posted information. A special thanks Roy for the time you have spent on this forum providing us with more information and clarification.

I am sure there are going to be a ton of questions about the information provided in these reports, especially matching up the dealer code/zone to the name and locations given. When there is a discrepancy or something odd what is the best way to get clarification from the NCRS? I was 99% sure what the report would list as the dealer name and location. Turns out the code and zone match what I thought and what others seem to have but the dealer name and location on my report does not.

[z28z11]

Anyone with an MSO on their car receive their confirmation yet ? I'm interested to see the space between the two, if there is one(always heard the MSO was cut on the same day the car was finished).

Regards -

[x66 714]

I have MSOs on both of my Camaros. I can let you know the results when I rece1ve mine. I ordered them on Friday or Saturday at the same time...Joe

[Kelley W King]

At least they are coming in. I think we we all learn something new.

[jdv69z]

After reading Gary's post I'm curious to see what mine says, since I know the original dealer (or at least I think I do) by the original new car warranty sticker which is still on the back of my rear view mirror. We'll see if the report matches up.

[Stingr69]

My number is one of the ":missing" ones. :~(

[69Z28-RS]

Stingr69 posted:
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My number is one of the ":missing" ones. :~("

Maybe if we put all out information together, we can figure out some of these..

1) Did you have some *idea* of where the car may have been sold originally?
2) What Zone # and Dealer # was reported to you (and based on what date?)..

My car was shipped on 18Sep1969, Zone#21 Dealer#73 reported.   I *thought* my car was sold originally at Joe Clayton Chevrolet, in Arab AL, and the current Dealer number is the same #73, but the current Zone # is 8.   I talked to my friend who works there today; he told me the last 'old employee' from that period has alzheimers, but he told me the original Zone number (from 1968 time frame) was #31 (he thought).  I'm hoping he didn't recollect this exactly and that it was 21 instead..

Gary

[rsinor]

Stingr69 posted:
"Insert Quote
My number is one of the ":missing" ones. :~("

Maybe if we put all out information together, we can figure out some of these..

1) Did you have some *idea* of where the car may have been sold originally?
2) What Zone # and Dealer # was reported to you (and based on what date?)..

My car was shipped on 18Sep1969, Zone#21 Dealer#73 reported.   I *thought* my car was sold originally at Joe Clayton Chevrolet, in Arab AL, and the current Dealer number is the same #73, but the current Zone # is 8.   I talked to my friend who works there today; he told me the last 'old employee' from that period has alzheimers, but he told me the original Zone number (from 1968 time frame) was #31 (he thought).  I'm hoping he didn't recollect this exactly and that it was 21 instead..

Gary

Gary, I've been working on it from my end. the zone is #31 the dealer is #73, we still do not know the name of the dealer we think it could start with a c. The microfiche is damaged and very hard to read what we originally thought was 21 we know are sure is 31.  The dealer directory does not have the dealer name for #73.  Can yo get anything prodcued from GM that shows 31-073 is Joe Clayton Chevrolet? If you could we can take it to GM and have them update their directory.  I'm also struggling with zone 31 I think it is WV, TN area.