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HustleRussell

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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2016, 10:25:24 PM »
Hi Jim. Welcome to CRG. That's a sweet looking ride. Have you checked the factory stampings on the engine block? If partial VIN matches you got a for sure factory big block. And if they don't match at least you'll know exactly what engine you got there.
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2016, 10:41:03 PM »
Hi Jim. Welcome to CRG. That's a sweet looking ride. Have you checked the factory stampings on the engine block? If partial VIN matches you got a for sure factory big block. And if they don't match at least you'll know exactly what engine you got there.

Thank You , I have not checked engine block , the guy I bought it from , said engine is 69 427/425 corvette . So I did at least know going in it was not factory power plant. But he did say the car was originally 396 BB
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2016, 12:29:35 AM »
"69 427/425 corvette"  Never made such an animal. 66 had a 425hp, and COPOs had 425hp & dealer swaps, but by 69 Vettes were tri-powered 435hp
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2016, 02:14:49 AM »
That's true. 

I believe in both 68 and 69 the options were 390 hp, 400 hp (hydraulic cam and three twos), 430 hp (L88 - with the single four barrel carb, solid cam and aluminum heads), and 435 hp (solid cam and three twos).
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2016, 03:59:33 AM »
That's true. 

I believe in both 68 and 69 the options were 390 hp, 400 hp (hydraulic cam and three twos), 430 hp (L88 - with the single four barrel carb, solid cam and aluminum heads), and 435 hp (solid cam and three twos).


Bryon is correct, but there were also three (3) '69 Corvettes with the ZL-1 engine... same specs as L-88 except with ALL Aluminum (block and heads)...
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2016, 02:16:31 PM »
Well, maybe. More here:

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2016, 02:44:21 PM »
Sorry I was talking Corvette only in my previous post. And yes I forgot about the ZL1 Corvettes. Dang...
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2016, 03:01:13 PM »
You are right... There is controversy on all the ZL-1 Corvettes except for Judski's, even with the Chandler 'museum' car whether it is/was a real factory ZL-1; I've never seen that one, so I don't know.

There is a great story behind the one that is accepted by everyone as being a 'real' ZL-1; the Daytona yellow one owned by Roger Judski (of Orlando, FL area) and which sat on display in the NCM for a couple of years.   Part of the story and history is pretty well documented in this thread:

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c3-general/2256296-1969-zl-1-previous-owner-story.html

The car was purchased/obtained somehow by a drug dealer, and the car was confiscated in 1990 and sold by the gov't in 1991 via Auction.   Roger Judski purchased the car at that auction for $300,000, which seemed an astronomical amount at the time (He told me and some other fellas that he *risked* everything he owned to buy that car at the time), but it was probably a great investment that would be worth several Million $ today if he sold it. 

What I recall from accounts at the time (1991) is that it would have gone even higher had there not been an 'auction mixup' (confusion).   There were two serious bidders, Roger Judski and a representative for the LA Times publisher, Otis Chandler, for his museum).  The rep had been told to BUY the car so he would have undoubtedly bid higher, but at the $300K bid, apparently BOTH bidders believed they held that bid, but the auctioneer stated that Judski had the winning bid.   

Supposedly Chandler was extremely upset with that situation; I've no idea if he ever hired that same person to represent him at any auctions again.. :)
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2016, 03:51:32 PM »
There were a couple of good features on it years ago; November 1981 Super Chevy and April 1982 Corvette Fever. Pretty well documented.

Both articles state it has the original engine. Probably never go to auction; I'll bet he has standing offers on it.
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2016, 07:58:59 PM »
If it was a factory "396" car it should also have blacked out tail pan. Perhaps removing trunk lock, tail light lens or rear deck lid weather stripping could expose evidence of factory black paint.
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2016, 08:30:35 PM »
If it was a factory "396" car it should also have blacked out tail pan. Perhaps removing trunk lock, tail light lens or rear deck lid weather stripping could expose evidence of factory black paint.
That's a good tell , I'll check it out !!
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2016, 08:33:22 PM »
Isn't it a black car? Can you post the cowl tag info or a pic?

Axle code is easy to check.
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2016, 01:49:28 PM »
Isn't it a black car? Can you post the cowl tag info or a pic?

Axle code is easy to check.

It is now , but originally a 59 frost green
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2016, 06:26:46 PM »
What I am getting at is that it's not going to be easy to see if the tail pan was blacked out originally, if the car is now black. Unless they didn't do a good job with paint prep when they did the color change.
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Re: Is it a factory big block?
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2016, 02:56:45 AM »
I'm out of ideas for signs of factory "396". But one more thing you can check for factory SS. Hood spring wire diameter should be 0.225. That is with the velocity stack hood. But that is small block also.
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