:)thankyou for letting me know about the f-b assy. manual, i have 1 on order and it should be in any day now !!! kudos on your knowledge john, i respect your advice and you helped me out on a few questions already!!! I think as a tribute to you , i'm gonna do a camaro next,as this project is almost finished and it looks really great and i've had a ton of compliments ,soon as i find out how to post pics of it, the http addy for my pics? i dont know how to do that but as soon as i find out i'll post them, thanks a million john, your the best!!