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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2025, 01:17:33 AM »
Fletcher Jones Chevrolet in Westminster, California on July 29th, 1969. Keep posting them pictures. Mine is headed to the paint shop in the coming months. Are the wiper arms painted black in the cowl area? Is there white over spray on the firewall?

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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2025, 07:04:05 PM »
Wiper arms were added after the cowl was painted, so should not have cowl paint on them.

My 1969 Z/28 (March) has the original leaf springs which are painted black (satin) and not partially but complete on both sides.
This does not sound factory. Springs would probably have been from the same supplier as NOR = I've never heard it mentioned before. Paint was sprayed up for gas tank black out. See pics here. http://www.camaros.org/assemblyprocess.shtml#final
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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2025, 11:54:32 PM »
Thank you for your post Kurt as bare rear leaf springs is what I have generally observed too. I'm now turning a corner which does not suggest black paint was used only on LA Built Camaro's but also on many other GM Product lines. General Spring was the main manufacture, supplier to GM starting in the mid-sixties. I've traversed through a few websites relating to first gen. Camaro's and Firebird's and also second gen Camaro's. There have been posts on each of the sites discussing the black paint on rear leaf springs and how to duplicate it when restoring them.
So here's my theory. Black paint was used to prevent rust during transportation and storage at GM Plants and it's longevity was probably limited. I'm guessing that they weren't even cleaned (prepped) prior to paint. With that in mind, I'm guessing the paint had a very short life span. Unfortunately without having a process spec. from either General Spring or GM the black paint found on some springs may be relegated to myth.
My car is an LA built 1969 Z/28 with an assembly date of 03 B and spent most of its life in Southern CA. When I acquired the car in the early eighties there was virtually no rust anywhere on the car. As mentioned in my initial post, my springs are coated in a black paint (utility type) on both sides from end to end. As best I can tell there's no black between spring leafs which suggests they were painted assembled.
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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2025, 09:42:20 PM »
I have an 02A built VanNuys Z28 with 77,000 miles that is very original, was sold new at Washburn Chev in Santa Barbara and lived pretty much all its life in California or Colorado not exposed to harsh elements.. The original rear leaf springs appear to be natural steel. I dont see any gas tank blackout unless that was a 67-68 thing.
My gas tank is the original and had the build sheet on top of it. It also looks like a brand new tank but its definately the original and is stamped 25 69 with the backwards 5. Car still retains its original factory paint hood and deck striping.
Previous owner changed out the original hood for a cowl induction hood but the stripes on the cowl panel and front upper valance are original.
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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2025, 09:51:57 PM »
Neither of my 2 Van Nuys 69's had undercoating on the floor pans/tunnel area. Only in the rear wheel wells.
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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2025, 05:13:44 AM »
Black paint was used to prevent rust during transportation and storage at GM Plants and it's longevity was probably limited
This was not a big concern back then. The foundries would store the bare blocks outside in the weather...
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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2025, 11:34:46 PM »
  My block didn't set very long. 05A car with a 0010 block with a D179 cast date and a 0421DZ stamp with a matching number 9D02 trans. with a 0422 BU rearend. 531046 serial number. I have the chassis broadcast sheet(good shape since the car was stored in 1984) from the gas tank with a production date of 06/30. My car was part of the VN strike. My car has been undercoated as I stated (including the gas tank) but I don't know when. Its more than just black paint. Even on the gas tank.

What would be a good date for a master cylinder and booster for my car? April? May? or June?

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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2025, 03:32:02 AM »
Date - probably April, they weren't getting new shipments.
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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2025, 05:15:36 AM »
If there isn’t one already I’d like to see more info or a thread on the known differences between the Norwood and Van Nuys built Camaros.

I asked similar questions last year - here's the thread

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=20937.msg190599#msg190599
https://www.instagram.com/69camarorsz28/
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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2025, 11:27:56 PM »
Thank you HansL for posting the link. Again William points out several things that were unique to an LA build. I found this old post "van nuys firewall markings"; http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=14307.0
In the body of the post, firstgenaddict has a post showing an early 1 owner unrestored 69 Z28. In that picture, it clearly shows how the stripe masking was done (soft edge at cowl, firewall intersection). That too has been my observation looking at 69Z28's built at LA.
HansL I will be looking through some of my old pictures and try to find other details unique to LA builds. I've sure enjoyed the responses to the original post and look forward to future ones.

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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2025, 03:53:05 AM »
This came to Mind.

1968; UPC 12 /A9 (SH 156)

LOS LA Builds did not follow the routing of PC # 9 to the outside of the inner.

It has been my observation that LOS ran the harness under a pair of plastic straps across the engine side of the inner fender, driver side.

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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2025, 12:22:00 AM »
Hans L did you check all three motor mount bolts on your car? My top two bolts are coming up, but the bottom bolt is going down on mine.

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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2025, 05:38:16 AM »
Hans L did you check all three motor mount bolts on your car? My top two bolts are coming up, but the bottom bolt is going down on mine.

Here's a pic.  Sorry, I couldn't find a clear picture before clean-up.    But yes, same as yours - top two up; bottom one down.

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Re: LA built Camaros rear leaf spring black paint
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2025, 06:47:06 PM »
I was at a local car show a week ago and spotted a 1969 Camaro. Taking a closer look, it was 10E (Oct. 68) LA built Camaro. Looked between the rear quarter panel and rear tire and found remnants of black paint on the gas tank. There was also black paint on the rear springs. Just another observation of LA built Camaro’s.

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