Your "twin" Camaro. Is it possible?

[william]

All Camaros were specifically ordered; most by dealers, some by the Zone. So yours was ordered with a Powerglide and that dictated the 10 bolt axle. Dealers were reluctant to stock cars with high msrp and your car still would have listed over $4,000.

Front shoulder belts have been seen on Z11s; rears would be really rare. Very few '69 Camaros were built with a column Powerglide and the special ducted hood!

[ZLP955]

Yes, I found my car's twin in 2014, see this http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=307201
I got in touch with the owner and he ended up keeping the car and has since started restoring it himself. Funny thing, his car is an early NOR car (pre-X code) but has a lot of details that suggest it may've left the factory as a Z/28.

[BULLITT65]

How close were you to purchasing it?

[ZLP955]

How close were you to purchasing it?

At the time it was on eBay, I was very tempted to bid on it, especially as it had a pretty low starting bid and apparently no interest. To me, it would have been very cool to have the 'twins' but when I considered how much work the car needed, plus the cost of shipping another non-runner to Australia, plus I still have a long way to go on the LOS car, I opted to pass on the NOR twin.
I did get in touch with the owner after the auction ended, and we swapped stories which was pretty cool. Suspect his will be finished before mine, but nice to think they'll both hit the streets again - albeit on opposite sides of the world.

[BULLITT65]

So your not making the same trip Burt Munro did from New Zeland to the U.S.?

(*see the movie -The Worlds fastest Indian)

[69Z28-RS]

'The World's Fastest Indian'...  one of my favorite movies of all time.. 

[BULLITT65]

I am not sure how you got you LA Camaro down there but, it is a long plane flight (I think 16 hours). I can't imagine how long it would take to ship something down there or back.

[ZLP955]

I am not sure how you got you LA Camaro down there but, it is a long plane flight (I think 16 hours). I can't imagine how long it would take to ship something down there or back.

Shipped out of LA via sea freight back in 1999. I think it was about 6 weeks on the water, but wasn't most direct route (cheaper). Options are either RO-RO (costs a lot more if car is a non-runner because it can't be driven on/off ship) or you pre-load car in a shipping container. Unfortunately the RO-RO option can sometimes result in damage sustained to the car, or worse still, not everything that is on the car on departure remains on it on arrival dockside......
Flight time is 14-16 hours from our east Coast up to LA, not too bad; I regularly travel over to London and that's about 24 hours with a refuelling stop part-way.

[69pace]

The former Chevy dealer I hung out with back in the day would disagree with you. Z11s were dogs to get rid of primarily for two reasons: even a lightly equipped Z11 listed over $4,000 and many people found the paint/trim unappealing. $4,000 was a ton in those days.

A family member bought a new '69 in October and the dealer still had their Z11.

That may have been the case in the day William, I have no disagreement with that, however someone had to be ordering them (dealer or customers) regardless of their appeal in 69. I was commenting on that of the survivors today they tend to be the 350 manual and the 396 auto groupings. So if dealers were ordering them were they using some standard GM guidelines or just using what their location normally found as desirable? In any event it really has nothing to do with twins as defined as one vin in LOS and same vin for NOR.

[william]

Chevy sent a Product Bulletin to dealers dated February 4, 1969 introducing the Z11 option. Unfortunately typical of them, all it did was create confusion. It states:

RPO Z11 is comprised of:

Camaro SS RPO Z27 with Rally Sport equipment RPO Z22
Custom Interior RPO Z87
Air Induction Hood RPO ZL2
Rally Wheel, Hub Cap and Trim Ring RPO ZJ7

This implies all this will be included with the Z11 option. Then another confusing statement:

“To be identical with the actual pace car additional options are required.”

Turbo Hydra-Matic  M40
Positraction Rear Axle  G80
Power Steering N40
Power Top  C06
Console    D55
Special Instrumentation U17
AM Radio   U63
Air Spoiler Front and Rear   D80
Sport Styled Steering Wheel   N34
Custom Deluxe Seat and Front Shoulder Belts  YA1
Soft-Ray Tinted Glass      A01

“Required” implies just that-the equipment had to be ordered putting the MSRP at about $4300. However it does not mention the L78 engine or JL8 brakes the track cars had. Also makes no mention of requiring a white convertible top. As many Z11s were built without some of these options there may be a later version of the bulletin that clarified what was included with Z11 and what was required.

Here's what was ultimately required with Z11:

http://www.camaros.org/69pacer.shtml

I did an unofficial analysis of our db and came up with the following power train percentages:

L48 auto - 56.7
L48 manual - 21.2
396 auto - 8.0
396 manual - 14.1

This does not imply a 396 auto was the rarest combo. May be an L48 or 396 with the standard HD 3-speed manual trans. I've never seen one.

[KurtS]

I've seen 1 Z11 with L48 3-speed manual. And of course it now has a Muncie 4-speed.

I should mention that a L6 with AC was recently mentioned. It is a NOR car that has a known twin from LOS - V8 car.

[69ndpce]

I know of one Z11 near me that is a 350 with a 3 speed manual with the shifter on the floor.  No console, no AC, manual top, no clock.  It did have an am radio.  I believe it is as basic of a Z11 as was made.  It's always been interesting to me when I see any model Camaro that has only the base options.  I think basic Camaro models were rather rare.

[KurtS]

It's always been interesting to me when I see any model Camaro that has only the base options.  I think basic Camaro models were rather rare.

I've seen lots of original dealer paperwork. Most Camaros had base engines and powerglides and few options, normally tires and radios.
Look at the RPO totals, they tell the story.