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Restoration / Floor pan advice

« on: September 14, 2015, 08:48:59 PM »

I'm looking for guidance on what to do with the floors in my '67 coupe.  The car will not be receiving a frame-off restoration.  Rather, to the extent possible, I want to make as it would have been when originally purchased.  I drive the car on nice weekends and take it the occasional local show. First time doing this so advice is greatly appreciated.  here is a link to some picshttp://s1025.photobucket.com/user/KY1967/library/1967%20Coupe?sort=3&page=1-  .

Are there stamps or markings on the floor pans to indicate what, if any, is original?
I can see where a replacement rear pan portion has been welded in .

The floors are solid.  No rust holes.  Only surface rust.  I want to deal with the surface rust and prevent further problems.  What was the original finish on the floor pans? Any thoughts on POR 15 vs KBS vs Epoxy primer?

Planning to leave original/existing sealant in place where possible and use 3M strip caulk where missing.  Should I seal before or after finishing the pans?

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 12, 2015, 01:30:08 AM »

sorry.  added it

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 12, 2015, 12:48:33 AM »

Guess I wasn't awake this morning when I made that post.  That's embarrassing.  Let's try again.

Pic of the partial VIN from the cowl is attached.  The 2 is hard to make out in the pic but shows more clearly under a magnifying glass.  The stamp is odd in that the number is positioned higher than the others and the stamp is light at the top of the 2.

I have also attached a pic of the transmission code (S7T19 - Saginaw 3spd '67 Dec 19).

So...now what are your thoughts?  Again, not looking to sell this car or pretend its anything its not.  Just collecting the facts and enjoying the process.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 11, 2015, 04:35:44 PM »

okay...the partial VIN below the cowl is 7N189128...not a match as you suspected.

So...looks like this car has been pieced together from multiple cars based on non-matching VINs and the late date on rear axle.  I'm still puzzled as to how one can absolutely confirm an original, numbers-,matching engine without a partial VIN on the engine.  Am I missing something or is it only possible to determine that numbers are consistent rather than matching?

I'll move on to the transmission next.  I'm still interested to see if everything is as it should be for the model, even if it is not original to the car.  I'm also looking at the interior and see some suspicious floor panels. More on that soon and in a more appropriate thread.

And to think this all started with a simple heater core replacement 

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 10, 2015, 03:34:15 PM »

Assuming that is a 6 in the casting date  (because nothing else makes sense), I have the following,

VIN:124377N18912
Cowl Tag indicates  01D build date and  Norwood assembly (NOR 74367)
Engine Code from engine pad  V0202MA  (no partial VIN)
Block casting number  3892657
Block casting date L 29 6

So,
-  the block casting number is consistent with a '67 327
-  the block casting date (12/29/66) precedes engine assembly (2/2/67) by 33 days (A BIT MUCH BUT NOT UNHEARD OF)
-  the engine code is consistent with a '67 327/210 manual
-  engine assembly date is 4-11 days after the cowl tag build date (Jan 4th week) depending upon when in week 4 the engine assembly began (THIS IS UNUSUAL BUT IS IT POSSIBLE?)-   see note below from Drivetrain Decoding page.

The engine assembly date almost always is before the Fisher Body cowl tag date. In the unusual case it is later (since the Fisher Body calendar does not always line up with the normal calendar), it should be within a week of the body.

The serial number from VIN (189128) maps to a March production.  Is this possible with a 1D cowl tag date?  The production numbers for Feb were remarkably low?  Does anyone know the explanation?  Could this explain the apparent inconsistency?


for MY '67, the partial VIN was stamped on engine block only for Z-28 and SS engines, not my base 327.  Is there any other means of confirming an original engine?

Martyn

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 09, 2015, 10:34:09 PM »

Exactly the problem.  Looks like an 8 to me but that would be inconsistent with the casting number.  Can anyone else see a 6 in that pic?  Does anyone have a pic of a casting date with a 6 to compare?

Thanks all,
Martyn

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 09, 2015, 07:50:47 PM »

Thanks bcmiller.

Here is as pic of the casting date.  The L, 2, and 9 are obvious.  Is that a 3,8 or simply a stamp mark following the 9?  Any opinions?

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 04, 2015, 10:01:18 PM »

..and here are pics of where I thought I would find the casting date.  Am I in the wrong place? 

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: September 04, 2015, 09:57:45 PM »

I have attached pics of the VIN and Engine Casting Number.  However, I still cannot locate the Casting Date. 

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: August 29, 2015, 11:14:15 PM »

Still haven't been able to get to the block casting number.  Any tricks to getting to this while the engine is installed?

I did however find the axle code.  PW 10 21 G.  Oct 21 certainly sounds disconnected from the other dates.  I am now assuming this was salvaged from another vehicle.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Confirmation of original engine

« on: August 29, 2015, 04:29:33 PM »

I have attached a pic of the cowl tag.  I will hunt for the engine block numbers later today and post.

I have owned and driven the car for many years with the assumption that the engine was not original.  I'm now finally beginning a process of gathering the relevant information and looking more deeply to determine what is original to the car and what is not.

It has been painted White (by a previous owner) and later Marina Blue (by my teenage self), but the original color is Sierra Fawn.  There is also rectangular opening in the floor hump for a shifter, but the car is a 3spd manual with a shifter on the column.  So, there has clearly been some work done.  I have had many years of enjoyment from this car and I'm not particularly concerned if the car has been pieced together previously as I suspect.  Of course it would be a pleasant surprise to find otherwise.

Thanks for the help.

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Decoding/Numbers / Confirmation of original engine

« on: August 28, 2015, 08:44:40 PM »

Is it possible to determine with certainty whether my engine is original to my '67 Camaro?

VIN = 124377N189128
Cowl Tag indicates  01D build date and  Norwood assembly (NOR 74367)
Engine Code from engine pad  V0202MA  (no partial VIN)

I interpret these codes to indicate the following,
-  engine assembly from engine code Feb 2,
-  build date from cowl tag Jan 4th week,
-  serial number from VIN (189128) maps to a March production

I understand engine code dates can be later than cowl tag build date.  Is the VIN serial number inconsistent with the build date or engine code?  Is there anything else I can do to confirm whether engine is original to the car?  Any help is appreciated.