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General Discussion / Re: OK guys educate me.

« on: August 24, 2011, 12:44:27 AM »

A huge thanks to everyone for your help and in educating me!  Especiall to Mopar who went above and beyond!  It has been a real education since the orginal post of the value of the original engine to the matching car owner.  I just wanted to give ya'll an update that I went to see the orginal engine today after many e-mails with the seller back and forth.  The first thing I went to verify was the stamping number on the engine block.  When the seller saw what I was trying to verify he told me that the previous owner had the engine rebuilt in 1978 and when they rebuilt the engine the stamping number with partial VIN was removed.  I wish he would have let me know this in the many e-mails sent back and forth, but it does explain why he refused to send the pictures.  All the other numbers I verified on the engine did match but after my education here and from Jerry MacNeish's book I understand that the stamping number iwth partial VIN is what proves it is a 68 Z-28.  I did not bother to disassemble it to verify the crank.  It also did not have the orginal air cleaner assembly, nor did he have every orginal nut and bolt as he claimed.  He did have the muncie shifter, Rally wheels, clutch fan, and a few other small parts.  All in all I did not see how he could be asking 12K without the correct stamping.  I did not discuss the price with hiim just thanked him for his time and said I would be in touch.  All in all I am so glad I found this forum and your exstesive knoweldge.  Thanks again for all of your time and efforts, I truly appreciate it!!

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General Discussion / Re: Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner

« on: August 05, 2011, 12:43:30 AM »

Hi all and thanks again for all your advice, knowledge, and the welcome!  Especially to Mopar, you have really gone the extra mile and I really appreciate it!  To answer some questions here... the person I bought the car from and the person trying to sell me the parts are two different people but they are good friends.  I have asked the seller of the engine and parts for pictures and he refuses to send anything.  Even though when he first contacted me he informed me that he was about to put all items on the internet (which I'm sure would require photos).  Also, now he has declined to let me inspect the items in person on the date that Mopar was going to be available

I didn't buy the car from Dave in MI, but the guy I bought the car from did.  I believe he bought and restored the car around 2007.  I have the previous owner Dave's full name and address and I have been searching on the internet for phone number to try and reach him to see if the car was all original when it left his possession.  Kurt do you know this car?  Back when I bought the car, the seller I bought it from, informed me this Dave in MI used to show the car regularly.  The car sits today with a 350 in it and run beautifully and is an all around nice car, however I have always wanted to put it back original.  From what the seller of the engine and parts is telling me the only reason the original engine was removed from the car was to preserve the value of it, so nothing would happen to it and there is nothing wrong with it, however, when I asked if the engine had been rebuilt he didn't answer.  And with his weird behavior I'm not sure I am able to trust anything he says at this point.

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General Discussion / Re: OK guys educate me.

« on: August 02, 2011, 10:51:26 PM »

Thanks to you all for your help and well wishes and especially thanks to Mopar!  I wish the seller of the engine and parts had a quarter of the character that you all have.  The build date that I found on the Cowl tag was 04C.  The VIN# is 124378N416433.  I am going to try and take a picture of the Cowl Tag and post it here.  I have not e-mailed the seller back yet.

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General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner

« on: August 01, 2011, 05:22:41 PM »

You guys have been great!  I wish the seller was as nice as you all.  Read his response and tell me what you think.  I can't believe he is not willing to send any pictures....

"This motor ran fine up until it was removed.  The reason it was removed was to ensure it was preserved as Bill intended to drive the car. The valve adjustment required is due to relieving the valve train for storage. Whomever advised you here would understand why. In the event the car was to be returned to the original condition, it could be done and all value would be saved. With a vehicle of this value, this is a common practice. As far as photos and all other items you mention here, I recommend you bring your consultant and inspect all parts. If they plan on removing trim rings from wheels or disassembling the engine for any reason there will be a non refundable deposit required in the event of any damage to the perfect condition rings and engine assembly. This deposit could be part of the overall price if there was a purchase.

As I mentioned, any and every original part that was on the car is still intact which can be returned to the vehicle. There are several boxes. "


I can get over his condensendingness and treating me like a dumb girl but I just don't get it... if he had to list the engine and parts on the internet as he stated he was going to do he would have to take pictures to do that.

Mopar... thanks again, I'd be glad to have your son along!  I'm sure I could learn a lot from both of you     It looks like actually going to his house is the only way I am going to be able to verify anything.

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General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner

« on: August 01, 2011, 01:19:44 AM »

You guys have been awesome!  Thank you so much for your help!  Mopar I will try and make arrangements with the seller for the 11th and I will let you know what he says.  That is so nice of you to offer and I really appreciate it!  I'm going to post the e-mail I sent the seller tonight.  I hope I have covered what I should.  If he comes through and sends me the pictures I will post them to get your opinions.  Thanks Again!

I have some questions for you regarding the engine and parts.  Please correct me if I am wrong but it is my understanding that you did the restoration of this car?  If so, do you have any documentation and/or receipts on the restoration of the car and/or engine?  Why was the original engine removed from the car and replaced with the 350?  Is the original 302 engine complete with starter, alternator, intake, carburetor, distributor, exhaust manifolds, etc.?  Has it been rebuilt and in ready to run condition?  If so, who rebuilt it and is there a spec sheet?   If it is not rebuilt is it re-buildable?  When was the last time that it was running?  If possible, I would like pictures of the engine as it sits, as well as pictures of the engine block’s casting#, date code, partial VIN#, and engine code.  I would also like some basic pictures and a list of what parts I would be buying as part of this package.  If you would also take pictures of the rally wheels and the code# under trim ring I would appreciate it.  I thank you for your time.  I am just trying to do my homework.

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General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner

« on: July 30, 2011, 08:29:00 PM »

Thanks again for all the information!  You guys are great and I am so fortunate to have found this forum.  68camaroz28 that is a truly awesome documentation of the restoration!  I loved the story with the original owner too.  I wish I even knew what all they did to mine.  I was going to e-mail the seller of the engine and parts a list of questions but I keep thinking of more, so I probably won't get it done until tomorrow.  From what I know about this guy I am only going to get one shot at this.  Mopar I live near Dayton, Ohio and the guy that has the engine and parts is near Columbus, Ohio.  If you know anyone near by that would be fantastic!!  This guy knows I don't know what I should and I'm afraid of being taken advantage of (hence the 12K and me not being sure I am getting everything I should), so I will definitely take your advice and once I get pictures post them here for all of your opinions.  Again, thanks to you all and any further advice, it is very much appreciated!

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General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner

« on: July 30, 2011, 03:21:59 AM »

Thanks again for the responses and the welcome.  In regards to the purchase, I felt like I got a raw deal because in the original accepted offer to purchase it was for the car (as it sat with the 350 engine) plus the original engine and parts, however, when I went to pick up everything, I was only allowed the car as it sat.   I was upset but it was still a steal so I went ahead and bought it.  That is one of the reasons I feel like I am getting it stuck to me now.  I too have wondered if this was designed from the get go.  I hope to e-mail him back tomorrow and try and ask every last question I can think of.  He has let me know that if I do not buy it that with his internet marketing skills he has no doubts he will get every cent of the 12K.  Where besides e-bay do you find these types of private sellers on the internet?  If I did fork over the cash do you think I might get my money out of it if I sold the car later?  Thanks to you all for your knowledge.  I am so green in this area any further comments I would greatly appreciate as well!!

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General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner

« on: July 29, 2011, 09:11:14 PM »

I appreciate all the responses and welcome!  When the car went through the restoration they removed the original engine (I'm not sure why) and put in a 350.  The owner I bought the car from did have the original engine, rims, and parts in his possesion when I bought the car.  The seller and the person that helped him restore the car are friends and the seller sold the engine wheels and parts to him.  Now, a little over a year later, I am being offer to buy the engine, wheels, and "every original part and bolt" for 12K.  I know I need to ask for pictures of the casting#, casting date, and engine code.  I am not experienced in these kinds of negotiations and seller is quite experienced.  I do and would appreciate any advice for what other questions I should be asking and also what would be a fair price?  When I asked of the condition of the engine at this time the response I received was "Engine is fully assembled. Just needs typical valve adjustment before running. If you know anything about the 30/30 z28 motor, it has a solid cam. This valve lash is what needs adjusted.  Very easy to do in or out of the car."

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General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner

« on: July 29, 2011, 01:38:14 AM »

I sure would appreciate any advice you all would share with me.  I have the opposite problem as the discussion I have read here.  I own a very nice 68 Z-28.  I am being offered (from the guy who did the restoration) the orginal engine, wheels, and all orginal parts taken off during the restoration for 12K.  I am at a loss for what questions I should be asking and what documentation.  I know I need to ask for pictures of the numbers on the block.  Of the additional parts (besides the engine and wheels) which ones are the most important to the value of the car?