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Restoration / Re: AC Delco AM Radio (differences for 68 vs 69)

« on: October 23, 2006, 10:40:36 AM »

Nope, 67 and 68 are close, but 69's are completely different.  69's are similar (but different) to the 70 to 73 or 74 radios.  The angles of the dash are different between the 68 and 69 so the 68 radios have a different face on them than the 69's which are essentially flat.

1007

Restoration / Re: STANDARD INT WITH DELUXE SEAT BELTS

« on: October 22, 2006, 12:54:03 PM »

Even deluxe interior cars came with standard belts.  Deluxe belts were a separate option that had to be ordered if you wanted it.

1008

Originality / Re: Starter part number

« on: October 20, 2006, 02:13:21 AM »

You guys are mixing Production part numbers and service part numbers.  The 1108338 is the production part number for an L48 with all standard transmissions and late production powerglide transmissions (service part number is 1108418). The  1108420 is the production number for late production TH350 equipped L48s (service part is the same).  Production number is 1108361 for all early production automatics (service part number is also 1108361).  All of these starters will have the production part number stamped on them even if they are a service part (ie if you had an 1108418, the box label would say 1108418 but the starter would be stamped 1108338)

Difference between the 361 and 338 starters is the solenoid assembly housing drive (nose peice) and drive assembly (more or less teeth).  The 420 has the same solenoid  and housing drive as the 361 and the same drive assembly as the 338, but it has a different armature than either the 361 or 338 (more torque?).  There are a few other small part differences between the 3 different starters as well.

I don't know where the production break occured on these starters.  Delco notes them as first jobs, and after jobs, but because the nose peice changed I would ASSUME it was around the time the blocks with the offset starter holes came online (3970010).

1108367 is a production part number for a 68 302 or 327/210HP, or a 69 302, 307, and 327, or a 1970 307 starter.

The 1108418 mentioned above is the production number for a 69 396 (all transmissions), and a 70 396 and 454 with standard transmission starter.  Service part is 1108400.

Source is the 67-72 721A Camaro Master Parts Manual  Section 2.0 Starter Assemblies.

1009

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Paint decoding

« on: October 16, 2006, 10:36:29 AM »

If it had stripes they would be black.  Since its a convertible it won't have Z28 stripes unless its a pace car (720 coded interior).  If its an SS it would have had black Hockey stick stripes.  Other than that, your going to have to rely on evidence on the car to find any stripes.

1010

Originality / Re: 69 wiper transmission and cowl plenum area color

« on: September 30, 2006, 12:11:11 PM »

I don't think you can say that a car with black stripes had the lower cowl area blacked out.  Thats just overspray from painting the top of the cowl area, which all cars with the Z28 stripes got.  In this case the paint just happens to be black.

1011

Originality / Re: 69 wiper transmission and cowl plenum area color

« on: September 22, 2006, 12:52:42 PM »

Yes, the whole car was painted body color, and then the area on top of the cowl was painted stripe color by Fisher.  They were then suppossed to black out the area under the cowl (where the wiper linkage is), but for the most part they didn't seem to do it.  The cowl panel itself was painted and striped (f required) separate from the car by Fisher, and wasn't installed until much later on the GM side of the plant, after the wiper linkage was installed.

1012

General Discussion / Re: X Codes

« on: September 17, 2006, 01:48:43 AM »

How many fuel lines under the car?

1013

Originality / Re: Upper control arm

« on: August 31, 2006, 11:45:58 PM »

Is that a rubber bump stop in the middle of the control arm in the top picture?  If so it's not from a Camaro.

1014

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Very early NOR tag question

« on: August 21, 2006, 11:10:07 AM »

Fisher option codes were used from day 1 of production.  Some were added as production went thru the year (like the Z28 and the Big blocks) but others were there all the time.  This tag would have come off a car with a VIN around 12x37N109xxx.  Not really that low a VIN.  If the car has all those options then either they were all added thruoughout the years, or this isn't the original tag.

1015

Originality / Re: 1968 D88 stripe ?

« on: August 16, 2006, 08:11:05 PM »

1016

Decoding/Numbers / Re: Seeking help decoding possible 69 R/s Z/28 Export Broadcast Sheet....

« on: August 07, 2006, 12:39:12 AM »

It's a body broadcast sheet, not a chassis sheet.  The cope at the bottom isn't 5712, its 5ZL2AA, its the code for the cowl induction hood.  There wasn't anyplace else for it on the Body broadcast Sheet.

1017

General Discussion / Re: 1969 stereo radio diagrams

« on: August 06, 2006, 12:27:25 PM »

Internal circuit diagram, or connection diagram between the multiplexor and the radio?

1018

Originality / Re: Firewall marking for Cortez Silver

« on: August 03, 2006, 01:28:26 AM »

Probably to get the right color front end on it on the GM side of the plant.  Code 55 is fairly close to code 53 Glacier Blue, and you'd be surprised how many color blind people ther are out there.

1019

Maintenance / Re: 69 Blue Dot Radio - Stereo Adapter?

« on: August 01, 2006, 10:06:54 AM »

Dash speaker is not used (and not even installed) with a Multiplex radio.  The multiplex radios used 2 kick panel and two rear deck speakers only.

1020

Originality / Re: Firewall marking for Cortez Silver

« on: August 01, 2006, 10:03:09 AM »

How about Azure "Turqouise"  (Paint code 55 in 1969)