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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Originality => Topic started by: 68camaroz28 on December 07, 2023, 04:30:19 PM
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Amazing at times how we continue to learn things about our cars we didn't know prior. An excellent example brought to my attention at last year's 2022 MCACN involved noting a '69 Camaro door mirror gasket that had the word "camaro" molded in. My mind raced to our 68Z restoration as I thought I had carefully reviewed parts for details but unfortunately I do not remember even having the original door mirror gasket to review back then but was determined to find out more. First step was checking my good friends '68 07D and late '69 09D survivors if they had the camaro script door mirror gasket and they did. You do have to look for it as the mirror normally covers 50% to 70% of the CAMARO script and in some cases only part of the "C" can be observed due to both mirror length variation and other tolerance build up's and mounting processes. From reviews of survivors and talking to experts it appears the gasket used did have the "camaro" script. I'm curious to know if this was common or the norm used during the 68/69 model run. Can anyone with paint survivors chime in on what your car has?
Picture of Skip's '68 Z/28 survivor 07D NOR rally green and of gasket from a NOR early spring 03D built 68 survivor still owned by original owner that Skip and I inspected several months ago.
Yes 68 03D NOR
Yes 68 07D NOR
Yes 69 09D (late) NOR
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Here is my 69 Z/28 02D NOR Driver Side Mirror Gasket
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Yes 68 12D LOS
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Yes 68 12D LOS
Yes 68 03D NOR
Yes 68 07D NOR
Yes 69 02D NOR
Yes 69 09D (late) NOR
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Friend sent me picture of his late 09B original paint with camaro script mirror gasket. I was hoping more members would be able to respond. I recently put a nice original I was able to find on our '68.
Gasket Part #3927398
Yes 68 12D LOS
Yes 68 03D NOR
Yes 68 07D NOR
Yes 69 02D NOR
Yes 69 09B (late) NOR
Yes 69 09D (late) NOR
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Yes 05A Nor
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Yes 06A Nor
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Yes 68 12D LOS
Yes 68 03D NOR
Yes 68 07D NOR
Yes 69 02D NOR
Yes 69 05A NOR
Yes 69 06A NOR
Yes 69 09B (late) NOR
Yes 69 09D (late) NOR
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Blurry enlarged 1968 Sample
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Thanks Jim, yours looks about the norm of what I've seen so far, that being mirror base hides approximately 50 to 66% of gaskets CAMARO script.
Again, I never reviewed, saw, or read anything concerning a 68/69 Camaro Door Mirror Gasket with the "CAMARO" script until seeing one on a '69 at the 2022 MCACN show. That led me to want to know more about this type gasket and its use. Checking some friends survivors I discovered it used on both '68 and '69 models and that led to wanting to find a nice one for our 68. Even though I kept just about everything original to our '68 that was not used I had no memory of keeping the original mirror gasket except deciding to use a new one for restoration. Just assumed I threw it away like the original door handle gaskets replaced with NOS gaskets. Well that all changed recently while searching my hardware bins for an original pair of screws and bingo, there was my original mirror gasket. And yes, it has the CAMARO script and quickly realized why we did not use as the bottom area of gasket has its lip broke off (see picture) which I've found in originals a lot when the mirror was placed rearward within the gasket.
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Note in this picture how our factory mirror placement made an impression and how 80 to 85% of CAMARO script shown originally, but the bottom area of the gasket is broken as the base of the mirror during assembly would have been placed on top of the gaskets lower lip instead of being placed within the gaskets 360 degree lip.
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The '68 NOR 03D Survivor cars gasket (shown again) we reviewed a few months ago had the same issue (one of the best I've noted with entire CAMARO script shown) with the lower part of gasket broke off. Owner placed mirror in gasket to mirror the original location of mirror to gasket and see how the mirror would have been placed on top of the gaskets lip. Broken lip similar to ours.
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Yes.
69 09C Norwood (late)
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Yes.
69 09C Norwood (late)
Also received picture from Darrell of his '68 03D showing about 50% of the CAMARO script which I added.
Reference part #3927398 68/69 Door Mirror Plastic Gasket
Yes 68 12D LOS
Yes 68 01B NOR
Yes 68 03D NOR
Yes 68 03D NOR
Yes 68 07D NOR
Yes 69 02D NOR
Yes 69 05A NOR
Yes 69 06A NOR
Yes 69 09B (late) NOR
Yes 69 09C (late) NOR
Yes 69 09D (late) NOR
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OK, you guys have been showing pictures of these gasket with Camaro on them. What am I missing that makes them unique from Nova or Chevelle?
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I haven't heard that anyone has investigated other usages. They may have used the same part, or not.
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I saw a Camaro and a Nova parked beside each other yesterday and the mirrors looked identical. Can't see what I am missing.
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I saw a Camaro and a Nova parked beside each other yesterday and the mirrors looked identical. Can't see what I am missing.
Did you look at the gasket? Originals on 68/69 Camaro's had the script and very difficult to find. Mirrors might be same but are the gaskets on survivors?
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Chick, not enough of the gasket was showing to see it like you guys have pictured. My question is why would the gasket be specific to Camaro if the mirrors are the same? I THINK both mirrors were flat on the bottom.
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Chick, not enough of the gasket was showing to see it like you guys have pictured. My question is why would the gasket be specific to Camaro if the mirrors are the same? I THINK both mirrors were flat on the bottom.
Good points! Consistency was not abundant back then. Examples like camaro by chevrolet part #'s different from deck lid to header panel. Points out how one design group over at one place did something different than at another location even though it was all chevrolet. I checked ou 69 L78 Nova we purchased new with its mirror never been off car. As you pointed out the mirror base fits nicely within the gaskets lip so nothing there to see but the 69 Nova AIM states gasket part # is 3874250 whereas the 68/69 Camaro mirror gasket is #3927398. I measured an original factory installed #3927398 we have and it measured 4.787" and measuring our 69 Nova #3874250 gasket on the car it was 4.780". Technically no difference in gasket length. Next up the mirror, different part #'s so is the base on the 69 Nova mirror #3909197 longer in length than a camaro's #3914752? Now it appears if you went to Chevrolet parts you would receive the generic gasket #3874250. I'm thinking or assuming the #3927398 Camaro script gasket might have only been used at the assembly plant, hence the difficult time to find one.
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Thank you, NOW I understand. As a machinist I worked in a shop that did work for a world wide corp. I remember parts from one division being identical or slightly different from a part from another division. Double design, double engineering, double testing, quoting, etc. etc. If they had shared info it would have been MUCH cheaper.
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In searching for a camaro script gasket, I talked to a guy who I thought had a 68 and asked him to remove the mirror in hopes of finding a gasket with the script. He did so and low and behold.. camaro script. I then found out that the car was in fact an 01B 67. I looked at the TT and its good. Mirror is a 67 round. Car is a rusty mess and the mirror shows a good parting line. Based on the cars condition i think the mirror is original. Are the cast bases on 67-69 the same through those years and the only change came to the actual square mirror itself?