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Camaro Research Group Discussion => Decoding/Numbers => Topic started by: rocco376 on August 08, 2023, 08:10:26 PM
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Trim tag thoughts?
https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/1969_chevrolet_camaro-z28_1969_chevrolet_camaro-z28_373372b1-56a1-40cf-ba64-43c957222845-kvs8g2-79936-78809.jpg?w=620&resize=620%2C413
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Van Nuys trim tag with "X33?" Things are getting bad!
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Another 1 of 1 car. Perhaps its a Z28/SS too.
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3 options on that tag:
Reproduction and the guy that ordered it did not know LOS does not use X codes.
Reproduction tag and the guy added X33 as a joke because the rest is obviously not original and could not be confused with a numbers car. Remember the guy that built a fake 1968 Z/28 convertible? All matching numbers with paperwork, as proof everything can be faked.
Original tag that just happened to have a Fisher Body scheduling code of X33. CRG says "The one-to-three digit sequence number that follows the letter was reset to 1 at the start of each day" So X day, 33rd car. Not sure this is possible, as I have never seen an X day or 2 digit code.
And BAT is planning on removing Z/28 from the description as we speak.
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X schedule codes were used at least twice during the 1969 model year at Van Nuys, 09B was one of them. It would have been expressed as X033 as they were mostly four characters; a few codes had an extra zero. A single digit code has two leading zeros: ex. K006.
Not unusual to see a Van Nuys tag without a code. Also, seen several tags where the code was obviously stamped later in a separate operation. The code was for body fab; cars were not final-assembled in code order.
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If X would was the 24th day of production, wouldn't that be week D or E? or did the production calendar not align with the monthly calendar? And why only seen in month 09, is it because that months production starts in August for the new model year?
Also, never seen anything less than a 4-character scheduling code but the wording on CRG makes it sound possible.
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1969 production started sometime during August 1968. Tags are dated 08, 08A, 08D, 08E. Exactly when they started isn't known. The earliest drive train date is an August 13 Flint engine so figure about a week later. Schedule codes on 08 tags started with A and ended at 08E/I350 or so. A-I suggests 9 production days, maybe started August 20.
When the calendar rolled over to September, they didn't start over with schedule codes. 09A tags started with J and possibly ended with R. I have no O or Q examples but there may have been some. Definitely some confusion going on there as R-day builds can be 09A or 09D. S-day builds can be 09B or 09D. Still building 09D cars in October, mixed with 10A. That's how they got to X.
Got it together in October but must have worked some overtime and ran out of alphabet. Started using symbols followed by three numbers: %000, &000, -000, ½000, *000. Started over with A. So some October cars with an A schedule code were built 35 days apart. There's a few 09D cars with an A schedule code; September 30th was a Monday.
The rest of the production run was much better organized, until the strike starting April 28. The last 1,000 cars, with 04D or 05A tags, were built in late June.
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Here is a VN 09D
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1969 production started sometime during August 1968. Tags are dated 08, 08A, 08D, 08E. Exactly when they started isn't known. The earliest drive train date is an August 13 Flint engine so figure about a week later. Schedule codes on 08 tags started with A and ended at 08E/I350 or so. A-I suggests 9 production days, maybe started August 20.
When the calendar rolled over to September, they didn't start over with schedule codes. 09A tags started with J and possibly ended with R. I have no O or Q examples but there may have been some. Definitely some confusion going on there as R-day builds can be 09A or 09D. S-day builds can be 09B or 09D. Still building 09D cars in October, mixed with 10A. That's how they got to X.
Got it together in October but must have worked some overtime and ran out of alphabet. Started using symbols followed by three numbers: %000, &000, -000, ½000, *000. Started over with A. So some October cars with an A schedule code were built 35 days apart. There's a few 09D cars with an A schedule code; September 30th was a Monday.
The rest of the production run was much better organized, until the strike starting April 28. The last 1,000 cars, with 04D or 05A tags, were built in late June.
Thats some good information right there. Thank you.
Makes me wonder what happened for the 1969 model year scheduling codes, since the years before seemed to follow a more normal pattern.