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Camaro Research Group Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: william on August 21, 2013, 01:29:43 AM

Title: Caveat Emptor
Post by: william on August 21, 2013, 01:29:43 AM

An obvious re-tag.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro-Convertible-Pace-Car-/330997278536?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4d10f9a748

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: bertfam on August 21, 2013, 01:37:50 AM

For future searches:

VIN:

124679N559423

Trim Tag:

ST69 12467 NOR199494 BDY
TR 720 50 PNT
12B Z11

Ed

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: MO on August 21, 2013, 02:34:08 AM

Interesting how all of the pics are clear except the trim tag.

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: jims69 on August 21, 2013, 03:37:50 AM

Indeed it is interesting MO;  you're right,  all the pictures are clear except the trim tag.  Clear enough to see the "hit and miss" aerosol spray can paint job on the suspension.  It would have been better to have not painted the suspension at all.    Jim

 

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: Mike S on August 21, 2013, 03:44:38 AM

The description lists a 12 bolt but I count only 10 in the picture.  ???

Mike

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: BULLITT65 on August 21, 2013, 05:26:38 AM

thank you for the latin lesson, and spotting another persons time and money spent to deceive the many Camaro enthusiasts who love and follow this cool model.

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: 69pace on August 21, 2013, 11:43:30 PM

LOL yeah the seller updated the specs to 10 bolt.

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: BULLITT65 on August 22, 2013, 12:01:32 AM

I called him out on the rear end. He is still stands behind the car that it is an original Z11. I did see that all pace cars were SS/RS cars and therefore would come with a 12 bolt.

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: bertfam on August 22, 2013, 12:36:06 AM

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He is still stands behind the car that it is an original Z11.

I won't give it away, but that's impossible. If you really want to know why, read THIS (http://www.camaros.org/69pacer.shtml).

Ed

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: Mike S on August 22, 2013, 01:08:15 AM

 Based on my limited knowledge for '69's I see two discrepancies right away after reading that article link Ed posted.  
Knowledge is power (but unfortunately it can work both ways!)

Mike

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: cook_dw on August 22, 2013, 01:30:55 AM

Havent looked at the link but no such thing as a 12B Z11...

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: Mike S on August 22, 2013, 02:21:33 AM

Quote from: cook_dw on August 22, 2013, 01:30:55 AM

Havent looked at the link but no such thing as a 12B Z11...

Bingo!

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: z28z11 on August 22, 2013, 02:36:52 AM

Carpe Camaro, ya'll - (Southern Latin). Maybe it's the long lost prototype Pace Car in the press release; tag was reissued by GM when they realized someone would try to pass it off as original 44 years later. Reminds me of the 10 10 crossram Z on Hot August Nights BJ last week - wonder if the seller will announce a disclaimer ?

Regards,
Steve

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: cook_dw on August 22, 2013, 12:34:12 PM

Now that I have read the link I have a question, why would they build the 2 track cars as L89s to only turn around and put back on the cast iron heads?

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: sdkar on August 24, 2013, 04:38:59 AM

Though I absolutely agree that this Camaro is NOT a pace car, the 10-bolt rear is not a definitive option in determining a real pace car.  I am the 2nd owner of a numbers matching pace car that I have owned since 2000.  It has a 350 engine, a powerglide, and a 10-bolt posi.  It is also a column shift and no console car.

The earliest pace car I have in my database is 589611 and has a build date of 01C.  There is no way a 12B car can be a pace car.

 

Title: Re: Caveat Emptor
Post by: william on August 24, 2013, 01:17:25 PM

I strongly question N589611 being a genuine Z11.

The CRG db has over 5% of the total and that VIN was built 5 weeks prior to the earliest known cars.